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This is an uncommonly silly and pointless discussion.
That is pretty much a requirement for threads here. I wish they were a little heavier on the silly than the pointless, being a Python fan, but it is what it is.
Exactly. The supreme court has not made a decision on this matter. De Facto standard here to recognize precedent in this case. This has already been set to children born in the United States to alien parents to be natural born citizens.
I know liberals disagree with this... but, they don't like laws as it is and will claim otherwise.
In what way did the Wong Kim Ark decision not settle this in cases like Harris'?
I get the argument regarding non-citizens that are here illegally, but this seems like pretty settled law when it comes to children born here to parents legally resident in the US.
There is a difference between U.S. citizen and U.S. Natural Born Citizen.
You are also attempting to merge "U.S. Native Born Citizenship" with U.S. Natural Born Citizenship.
The element missing in your sway, is the whom or thing the fathers of said, had with allegiance to, at the time of the said U.S. born citizen. Barack Obama's father at the time the thing was born, was in allegiance with Kenya/Britain. Barack Obama was NOT a Natural Born Citizen of the United States. He "may" have been a native born citizen of the United States, but definitely NOT a Natural Born Citizen of the United States.
Barck Obama was not natural.
Same goes for Kamala Harris.
Once again you are wrong. Native born and Natural born are exactly the same thing. The constitution does not define natural born citizen but the 14th amendment does. And its very clear Obama and Harris are natural born citizens. I don't care for either one of them, if there were facts behind denying Obama the presidency because he did not qualify and the same for Harris I would be all for it. But just lying and making up things that are not in the constitution or constitutional amendments is silly.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
Once again you are wrong. Native born and Natural born are exactly the same thing. The constitution does not define natural born citizen but the 14th amendment does. And its very clear Obama and Harris are natural born citizens. I don't care for either one of them, if there were facts behind denying Obama the presidency because he did not qualify and the same for Harris I would be all for it. But just lying and making up things that are not in the constitution or constitutional amendments is silly.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
The Supreme Court was not asked in the Wong Kim Ark case whether the man, born in the USA of residing non-citizen parent, was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE USA. That was not the issue requested nor answered. Wong was not planning to run for president.
The question was whether Wong Kim Ark, under the circumstances, was a UNITED STATES CITIZEN. The SC answered that Wong Kim Ark WAS a United States Citizen. Period! Asked and answered!
"The constitution does not define natural born citizen but the 14th amendment does." -
The 14th Amendment did not change the meaning nor the intent of Natural Born Citizen.
Sorry, but the Constitution, by and of its writing, did define the difference between Natural Born Citizens and State Citizens, and therefore then, when adopted, the difference between United States Natural Born Citizens and United States Citizens. (I'm a natural born citizen of The United States of America) Bill Clinton tried to include me as a citizen of the United States of Canada - America - and Mexico. (But I digress.)
The Constitution of "THESE United States", written by and of the uniting States, upon its adoption of said, was later changed to THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. (The Civil War caused the name change.)
You are caught accountable today for even thinking about saying "THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA." You better just say, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, or the Supreme Court will WHOMP YOUR ASS!
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The Supreme Court was not asked in the Wong Kim Ark case whether the man, born in the USA of residing non-citizen parent, was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE USA. That was not the issue requested nor answered. Wong was not planning to run for president.
The question was whether Wong Kim Ark, under the circumstances, was a UNITED STATES CITIZEN. The SC answered that Wong Kim Ark WAS a United States Citizen. Period! Asked and answered!
This is an uncommonly silly and pointless discussion.
i actually wish the SCOTUS would make a ruling on this. ironically trump, king birther himself, had standing to challenge cruz's eligibility during the 2016 primaries which would have forced the court to take a stand on the issue. obviously that didn't happen ( altho everything i've read points to the court ruling "citizen at birth" = NBC ). i'd also like to get clarification from the court on another presidential requirement, 14years residency. are those 14years consecutive or in total? if consecutive are they the previous 14 or any 14? what defines a year residency?
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; . ."[/quote]
Please tell me we're not going to see Birtherism Part II.
The grotesque & racist birther movement is exactly the basis for the OP's exasperating Kafkaesque, illogical, and inaccurate interpretation of the Constitution.
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