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Old 11-24-2020, 07:59 AM
 
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Most people who voted for Biden don’t know a single one of his proposed policies or if he even Has any.
Yup. All they know is that Trump is like Hitler at times. The media told them so.

And neither do they have a clue as to what good policies Trump was able to enact. The media won’t tell them.
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:00 AM
 
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Ignoring the full context of the speech given and the policy suggested does little to further your argument OP.

Allowing other countries to grow -- in a controlled, supervised manner -- will in fact allow the USA to expand its economy. We want other countries in the world to succeed so they have the resources to do business with us.

There is nothing in the policy presented by Jake Sullivan that calls for, accepts, promotes China over taking American interests, etc. You are misunderstanding the full context.

The USA will benefit if the rest of the world has a strong economy. Nobody campaigned for China or any other country to dominate the world. Y'all made that up.

“We need to strike a middle course – one that encourages China’s rise in a manner consistent with an open, fair, rules-based, regional order,” Sullivan said. “This will require care and prudence and strategic foresight, and maybe even more basically it will require sustained attention. It may not have escaped your notice that these are not in ample supply in Washington right now.”
Lmao Biden Obama sold us out to China before . Manufacturing was sent to China, Obama said the jobs are gone get use to it. So we believe now it will be fair....yep we trust Obama I mean Biden, I mean Harris who ever is in charge lol
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:00 AM
 
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Trump's China policy FAILED. His combative approach, tear down China to boost the USA -- did nothing to actually improve the trade issue with China for the USA.

It failed.

It was a mess.

So perhaps a different approach with the same goal--- allowing China to have their growing economy without domination -- is in order.

The feelings that Trump was tougher on China come from Trump's 'showmanship' of being combative with China. He was 'tough' on tariffs? WHAT? Did that change the balance of trade significantly? Or did it just boost prices for American consumers?

Trump huffed and puffed and boasted and tweeted....but end of the day -- no significant change in anything.

Nothing.

It wasn't working.
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:04 AM
 
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Y'all are about the bells and whistles and rewrite the facts to suit your feelings.

What improved with China in the last four years?

Tell me how much the new NAFTA has improved things?

You can't -- except for Trump says --- Trump says a whole bunch of things with nothing to back it up.

Trade deals are meant to benefit both parties -- not to destroy one. It is stupid to have a business relationship that takes down one side in order to boost the other. There is no sense in that.

A healthy economy needs all parties to grow...and recognizing that and monitoring that and implementing procedures to make sure that your best interest is protected is important. Not taking down a country to boost your country. That doesn't help the big picture.
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:04 AM
 
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Biden did say the best thing for the world and America is a strong and dominant China.
Did he really say that ? If so...unreal.

I do know he's thought China wasn't a threat in the past.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...-pols-n1001236
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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Y'all are about the bells and whistles and rewrite the facts to suit your feelings.

What improved with China in the last four years?

Tell me how much the new NAFTA has improved things?

You can't -- except for Trump says --- Trump says a whole bunch of things with nothing to back it up.

Trade deals are meant to benefit both parties -- not to destroy one. It is stupid to have a business relationship that takes down one side in order to boost the other. There is no sense in that.

A healthy economy needs all parties to grow...and recognizing that and monitoring that and implementing procedures to make sure that your best interest is protected is important. Not taking down a country to boost your country. That doesn't help the big picture.
Except this is exactly what we've had in the past. Both parties, and both, Government and Corporations are responsible for this.
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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Trump's China policy FAILED. His combative approach, tear down China to boost the USA -- did nothing to actually improve the trade issue with China for the USA.

It failed.

It was a mess.

So perhaps a different approach with the same goal--- allowing China to have their growing economy without domination -- is in order.

The feelings that Trump was tougher on China come from Trump's 'showmanship' of being combative with China. He was 'tough' on tariffs? WHAT? Did that change the balance of trade significantly? Or did it just boost prices for American consumers?

Trump huffed and puffed and boasted and tweeted....but end of the day -- no significant change in anything.

Nothing.

It wasn't working.
Baloney. Here are real wages under the Obama/Biden China lovefest:



And here is what happened to wages when /Orange Man Bad/ ran things:



Trump’s policies increased real wages significantly compared to the fiasco under Obama.
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:22 AM
 
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...ivan-us-chinas

Biden just insured the selling of America to China.....Sullivan is a horrible choice.
Incredible-

What kind of idiot would vote for someone who clearly stated in the election that he was pro-China, took money from China, and has a history of exporting our manufacturing out of the US?

The democrats long term plan is to eliminate/impoverish the middle class.

Let's hope the Supreme Court reverses the coup and saves the nation.
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:24 AM
 
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Except this is exactly what we've had in the past. Both parties, and both, Government and Corporations are responsible for this.
And that might be a different debate/discussion.

BUT Jake Sullivan's speech quoted in this article does not call for boosting China to dominate. It supports allowing China to have a good economy with careful scrutiny, supervision, etc.
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:24 AM
 
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Baloney. Here are real wages under the Obama/Biden China lovefest:



And here is what happened to wages when /Orange Man Bad/ ran things:



Trump’s policies increased real wages significantly compared to the fiasco under Obama.
Incredible, is it not?

Democrats want the nation to be impoverished serfs who rely upon the government for their survival.

Free, independent people do not need democrats.
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