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I agree with you. It's sort of like how they do drunk driving deaths.
Falling asleep at the wheel deaths are counted as drunk driving deaths. Just because your BAC was .40 doesn't mean driving drunk caused the accident.
People who have double vision while driving are also many times counted as drunk driving deaths.
People who have wrecks while attempting to pee in a cup are usually counted as drunk driving deaths as opposed to "peeing in a cup" deaths.
In fact, I bet lot of COVID deaths are counted as drunk driving deaths. You get tested positive for COVID and you have a couple of drinks and you wreck and kill somebody. Mark it down. They will count it as a drunk driving death and you will probably lose your license.
300,000 more people have died this year than in each of the last 5 years. Sure eventually everyone will die of something but its cutting lives short. And caused millions who survive it to have horrible long term effects. To split hairs over whether a few cases here and their were incorrectly counted does not change that or anything.
I saw that bolded part on first reading, but you have to put it in the title. If you don't you're implying that the quoted title is your belief.
Here's an example: a national news source runs an article with this headline, "People who drive Fords deserve to die," but then in the article they say "Nah, we don't really mean it."
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Originally Posted by bradnsota
I believe you are incorrect. The title is the title of the article I wanted to talk about. I made it exceedingly clear to understand in my post that I completely disagreed with said article. I think you were just ready to go off about it and you jumped the gun with your response. It happens. All's good.
Sorry; you did say "I completely disagree with that". I misunderstood your point.
Thanks Leo. Great post. We need more of this around here and less rabid partisanship. We ALL make mistakes reading peoples posts and we all make statements that can be take a different way than intended.
Why do I need to prove anything? This is a message board. I'm not getting paid. I am stating I don't believe the death count is valid. And therefore, I'm not gonna take this crap seriously.
Thats a fair point. Frankly nobody should take a post seriously unless they back it up with reasonable facts and numbers and include links.
That poster and everyone else should have just ignored you. Well played.
300,000 more people have died this year than in each of the last 5 years. Sure eventually everyone will die of something but its cutting lives short. And caused millions who survive it to have horrible long term effects. To split hairs over whether a few cases here and their were incorrectly counted does not change that or anything.
Largely, it accelerated deaths by *typically* a year or three but in some cases perhaps more than a decade or more. I'm being clinical here, not saying that's comforting news.
But irrefutably, Covid did that. (to people claiming otherwise)
Just seems like some rampant partisan dishonesty about the whole situation and I'm just laying out the fact that people had their lives cut short by covid. Some of that was a mercy, other not so much.
ON THE FLIP SIDE
How many more suicides, drug overdoses, robberies etc. will occur due to the shutdowns?
Again, clinical.
How many 30 year olds with decades ahead of them etc?
I mention this out of fairness because that's not being measured.
We also don't know about long-term covid effects to health so there is that consideration too.
Just asking people to be aware that everyones situation isn't like yours and to be respectful to others if you want the same in return.
300,000 more people have died this year than in each of the last 5 years. Sure eventually everyone will die of something but its cutting lives short. And caused millions who survive it to have horrible long term effects. To split hairs over whether a few cases here and their were incorrectly counted does not change that or anything.
No link to horrible long term effects considering a disease we've known about for less than a year.
Is that really a positive contribution to any discussion?
COVID-19 Had No Impact on US Death Rate So Far in 2020 so says this article. The article determines this means the virus is a hoax. I completely disagree with that, however it would be nice if we did a deep dive into the numbers and how causes of death have been determined. I guess history may look different than the present. Time will tell.
LOL -- I got out of that site before the bugs got me....creepy.
Over simplistic analysis of the death rate.
Social distancing, school closures, forced plant closures from illness, etc...means that things like deaths from mass shootings, traffic accidents, work accidents, etc....are drastically impacted.
Basically what you are posting is that because of COVID we have fewer traffic accidents....so you would rather have COVID spreading?
Find some kind of analysis that factors in the reduced deaths from traffic accidents, work accidents, mass shootings, etc....and get back to us.
LOL -- I got out of that site before the bugs got me....creepy.
Over simplistic analysis of the death rate.
Social distancing, school closures, forced plant closures from illness, etc...means that things like deaths from mass shootings, traffic accidents, work accidents, etc....are drastically impacted.
Basically what you are posting is that because of COVID we have fewer traffic accidents....so you would rather have COVID spreading?
Find some kind of analysis that factors in the reduced deaths from traffic accidents, work accidents, mass shootings, etc....and get back to us.
The article was from May as well.
Anyone with a Google machine can read the numerous studies as well as the direct stats from the CDC showing how overall deaths are way up indicating Covid deaths are actually under-counted.
COVID-19 symptoms can sometimes persist for months. The virus can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems.
While most persons with COVID-19 recover and return to normal health, some patients can have symptoms that can last for weeks or even months after recovery from acute illness. Even people who are not hospitalized and who have mild illness can experience persistent or late symptoms.
LOL -- I got out of that site before the bugs got me....creepy.
Over simplistic analysis of the death rate.
Social distancing, school closures, forced plant closures from illness, etc...means that things like deaths from mass shootings, traffic accidents, work accidents, etc....are drastically impacted.
Basically what you are posting is that because of COVID we have fewer traffic accidents....so you would rather have COVID spreading?
Find some kind of analysis that factors in the reduced deaths from traffic accidents, work accidents, mass shootings, etc....and get back to us.
I think those are valid points. I think the other poster discussing a multi-year study will iron some of this out. We certainly can't go by just this year and can't go by what is labeled as Covid deaths as if all Covid labeled deaths are equal. There are so may other issues that can be related directly or indirectly, including short term and long term effect.
I really hope the data folks use this to learn pre and post Covid, rather than putting 2020 into the rearview mirror once we all take Trump's Covid vaccines.
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