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Old 11-25-2020, 11:06 AM
 
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We will never see eye to eye on public policy, but the least you can do as fellow countrymen, choose someone with empathy and of good moral character. Please from the bottom of my heart, stop choosing buffoons to lead the ticket of your party. There are plenty of decent Republicans to choose from. What about Jeb Bush? I don't agree with him on policy, but he's a good man who puts his country first. Donald Trump is a flawed human being. The reasons are too long to list. He should not have even went beyond the Iowa Caucus.
Not for nothing but I feel this is why 2016 went the way it did. Democrats were so high on 8 years of Obama that they felt the time was ripe to break the other barrier and get a female President. Which in itself is not a problem, but they took the easy path and chose the most recognizable female democrat candidate out there. What they chose to ignore or were SOMEHOW unaware of is that the person they picked is one of the (at the time) most divisive, polarizing Democrats out there with a high, high level of unlikability . There is no middle ground with her. People either LOVE her or HATE her. On the Republican side....sigh. They had a wealth of candidates as well, but they were ultimately unprepared for Trumps bombastic style and boorish behavior and did nothing to enforce debate rules so that many more qualified candidates were bowled over by broad (if untrue) promises and proclamations. And to a lot of states that had been by and large ignored by the left and lied to by the right, Trump's "I will work for you! Washington is entirely corrupt!" spiel....resonated. Honesty be damned, he spoke to their belief system.


And 2020....let's be honest....until Biden came along, there was not really any Democrat that would have stood up to Trump on a debate stage much less win the general election. Warren? Too socialist. Bernie? Too socialist and a bad Doc Brown impersonator. Pete? Too young and frankly, there is no WAY the red states are enlightened enough to elect a gay man. Even Kamala (the only one I think could've taken Trump in a debate) was too one-note as a candidate. Klobuchar.....there was something ....off....about her. And those are the ones that made an IMPRESSION.

The problem as I see it is that both parties have given over to the extremes. True Republicans and True Democrats are more like each other than they are to their extreme fringes. Not every Republican is a Trump Supporter (they may have voted for him, but their not Trumpers.) and bot every Democrat is a Bernie Bro. But as long as the media portrays every Republican as one of those morons we see at the rallies and every Democrat as some Antifa rioters, no one is going to realize that neither of those extremes are in the right and they damage EVERYONE with their antics.

We should not embrace the lunatic fringes, we should call them out for what they are.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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^^ I think Tulsi would have mopped the debate floor with Trump's clown hair and attracted back most of the crossover Democrats who voted for him in 2016.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:53 AM
 
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^^ I think Tulsi would have mopped the debate floor with Trump's clown hair and attracted back most of the crossover Democrats who voted for him in 2016.
Apparently they didn't like how she stomped on Kamala Harris so she had to go. They had big plans for Harris, I guess.
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Old 11-25-2020, 02:21 PM
 
Location: USA
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It doesn’t matter who the GOP nominates, they will all get called xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic, racists. It doesn’t matter if the candidate they nominate is gay, trans, hispanic, black. All will get called gender or race traitors.

If the candidates are going to be attacked that way then I would at least want someone like Trump who is unapologetic in his viewpoints.

Remember when Romney and McCain tried being nice and moderate? They were both called racists and white supremacists by liberals.

Yet every Democrat apparently hates America. I heard that for 8 years under Obama, now that's all I hear about Biden and Harris.

I never heard anyone call Romney or McCain racist who a normal person would take seriously, if anything the racist card is a new thing from the past few years now that supposed White Supremacy is a hot issue.
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Old 11-25-2020, 02:24 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Flip of the decade
After 4 years of record breaking economy, enforcement of trade and immigration and a pandemic vaccine- you fire him and replace him with joe -the joke of dc -and say- why can’t you get a decent candidate
That is rich

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Old 11-25-2020, 02:39 PM
 
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We should not embrace the lunatic fringes, we should call them out for what they are.
The Democrats struggle with denouncing their lunatic fringe. In fact, when the VP-elect promotes a fund to bail out domestic terrorists one can deduce that maybe they are okay with their fringe.
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Old 11-25-2020, 03:35 PM
 
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Yet every Democrat apparently hates America. I heard that for 8 years under Obama, now that's all I hear about Biden and Harris.

I never heard anyone call Romney or McCain racist who a normal person would take seriously, if anything the racist card is a new thing from the past few years now that supposed White Supremacy is a hot issue.


Are you kidding??? Do you not remember the elections of 2008 and 2012?

Calling Republicans "racist" is SOP for the Democrat Party. The media tosses around that term with reckless abandon. And the is certainly not a "new thing."

You people really do live in an alternate universe, where even recent history is rewritten.
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Old 11-25-2020, 03:38 PM
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Considering you chose a misogynistic sexist with 25+ documented allegations and charges against him who has a secret bank account in China, got special patents for his daughter from China and handed Putin key political wins on the world stage and endorsed Dictators I wouldn't be talking. All you can have in innuendo, rumor and assumption and like the allegations of fraud over the election, no real evidence that a court will accept...
You chose a misogynistic sexist with a serious rape charge (not tabloid stuff), dozens of cases of sniffing young girls, a secret share of a Chinese Communist Party investment fund, got paid off by Russia through his son for intervening in the Ukraine, handed Putin the keys in Ukraine and Syria and has a history of recent racist remarks.....

Most of your stuff is pure MSM bs. Actually ALL of it is except for the fraud, and that remains to be seen.
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Old 11-25-2020, 03:41 PM
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Not for nothing but I feel this is why 2016 went the way it did. Democrats were so high on 8 years of Obama that they felt the time was ripe to break the other barrier and get a female President. Which in itself is not a problem, but they took the easy path and chose the most recognizable female democrat candidate out there. What they chose to ignore or were SOMEHOW unaware of is that the person they picked is one of the (at the time) most divisive, polarizing Democrats out there with a high, high level of unlikability . There is no middle ground with her. People either LOVE her or HATE her. On the Republican side....sigh. They had a wealth of candidates as well, but they were ultimately unprepared for Trumps bombastic style and boorish behavior and did nothing to enforce debate rules so that many more qualified candidates were bowled over by broad (if untrue) promises and proclamations. And to a lot of states that had been by and large ignored by the left and lied to by the right, Trump's "I will work for you! Washington is entirely corrupt!" spiel....resonated. Honesty be damned, he spoke to their belief system.


And 2020....let's be honest....until Biden came along, there was not really any Democrat that would have stood up to Trump on a debate stage much less win the general election. Warren? Too socialist. Bernie? Too socialist and a bad Doc Brown impersonator. Pete? Too young and frankly, there is no WAY the red states are enlightened enough to elect a gay man. Even Kamala (the only one I think could've taken Trump in a debate) was too one-note as a candidate. Klobuchar.....there was something ....off....about her. And those are the ones that made an IMPRESSION.

The problem as I see it is that both parties have given over to the extremes. True Republicans and True Democrats are more like each other than they are to their extreme fringes. Not every Republican is a Trump Supporter (they may have voted for him, but their not Trumpers.) and bot every Democrat is a Bernie Bro. But as long as the media portrays every Republican as one of those morons we see at the rallies and every Democrat as some Antifa rioters, no one is going to realize that neither of those extremes are in the right and they damage EVERYONE with their antics.

We should not embrace the lunatic fringes, we should call them out for what they are.
Trump is not extreme. He won because he had a strong base of support that noone else was tapping. The rest cannibalized each other. Had Kasich not run, Jeb or Rubio would have won. Had Kasich dropped out after South Carolina like he should have, there's a good chance Rubio or Cruz would have beaten Trump.
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Old 11-25-2020, 03:59 PM
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We will never see eye to eye on public policy, but the least you can do as fellow countrymen, choose someone with empathy and of good moral character. Please from the bottom of my heart, stop choosing buffoons to lead the ticket of your party. There are plenty of decent Republicans to choose from. What about Jeb Bush? I don't agree with him on policy, but he's a good man who puts his country first. Donald Trump is a flawed human being. The reasons are too long to list. He should not have even went beyond the Iowa Caucus.

Hillary Clinton isn't a flawed human being?


How was John McCain a bad candidate? How about Romney? Was GWB so bad? And sorry, but Trump was the results of 8 years of Obama.
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