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Howsomever, I really hope that any confrontation/conflagration can be avoided, that the PM (what's his name?) will "see the light" and will step back from the point of no return. Shooting up Iran would be like shooting duck in a gallery at the carnival. Too bad, really, Mr. Jimma didn't have the tools to do this back in 79. But, even if he HAD had these tools, would he have used them instead of launching a failed "rescue" mission at the get-go? Nah, I doubt it.
Like you, I would hope that a military confrontation can be avoided. This said, I don't think it will be avoided.
It appears fairly clear that Iran is supplying arms to the insurgents in Iraq - even though Iran says they are not. Iran is also a training locale for terrorists that go out worldwide.
And, with Irans nuclear ambitions becoming more evident and clear, the world community has a vested interest in taking out their nuclear arms program and their ability to train and fund terrorists.
it will turn out badly and get ready for $8 gas a gallon if it does happen. I guess Dubya needs to make his Oil buddies richer before he leaves office.
Do you understand that your whole future is dependent on the US gaining control of Iran?
Understand I don't care if the US burns down, falls over and sinks into a swamp, but if you're going to live in the US, it's going to be a miserable existence for you and your children and grand-children, if the US can't gain control of Iran.
Iran already sells oil and natural gas to Japan in Yen instead of US Dollars which reduces the demand for US Dollars and weakens it against the Euro. China and Iran have reached an agreement to sell oil and natural gas in Yuan/Renmibi, and that will probably start June 1 and you'll see the US$ decline even further.
UNOCAL (now Chevron) owns 75% of the oil, natural gas and mineral rights in the Central Asian states. Those fields are being developed, but if the oil and natural gas is sold in Euros or Rubles instead of US$, it will be a serious blow to the US economy.
If the US cannot impose its hegemony on the Central Asian states, then it cannot control the currency in which those commodities are sold, and the only way the US can exert its hegemony is to control Iran.
And no one can say it doesn't matter, because it does. If it didn't, then Iraq would still be selling its oil in Euros, but it isn't because the US is forcing Iraq to sell its oil in US$.
When I was in the XVIIIth Airborne Corps, we trained to invade Iran, well not Iran, just a small province in Iran called Khuzestan. 80% of Iran's oil is located there and it represents 4% of the world's oil. The US will easily gain control of it. Those are Arab-Iranians who live there, not Persian-Iranians. On at least 12 occasions over the last 100 years they have tried to become independent from Iran, the last two times they tried were during the 1979 "revolution" and then again during the Iraq-Iran War. They would view the US as "liberators."
The great thing is that all of the oil and natural gas in Khuzestan goes into the Syrian-Iraqi pipeline, or the Kuwaiti-Saudi pipeline, or right to the port facilities on the Persian Gulf, except for one minor natural gas pipeline that goes through the foothills of the Zagros Mountains, so you don't have to worry about gasoline being $8/gallon, but you do have to worry about keeping your job if the US doesn't invade Iran.
We could always just invade Ecuador and Venezuela instead. Added to what we already own in Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Iraq, I would think we should have enough to get us by for a while, what with us being less than 5% of the world's population and all. Do we really have to own ALL the oil in the world in order to "make it" these days? If so, maybe we are doing it wrong...
We could always just invade Ecuador and Venezuela instead. Added to what we already own in Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Iraq, I would think we should have enough to get us by for a while, what with us being less than 5% of the world's population and all. Do we really have to own ALL the oil in the world in order to "make it" these days? If so, maybe we are doing it wrong...
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Why invade Ecuador and/or Venezuela, why not just drill in ANWAR, off the US coasts? We still need to "stay on top" of Iran because Iran doesn't give a tinker's damn about us, and would just as soon "own" us. Rue the day that happens.
As long as it's after this summer, atleast I won't be the first line of draftee's....
Guess I should get an electrical vehicle of some sort, because there is no way in hell an attack on Iran won't force oil above 200 bucks a barrel.
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We could always just invade Ecuador and Venezuela instead. Added to what we already own in Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Iraq, I would think we should have enough to get us by for a while, what with us being less than 5% of the world's population and all. Do we really have to own ALL the oil in the world in order to "make it" these days? If so, maybe we are doing it wrong...
Actually, we sorta do own canadian oil.
A stipulation in NAFTA is that canada has to sell us their oil for market price.
As long as it's after this summer, atleast I won't be the first line of draftee's....
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That says a lot for your concern, yep, sure does. There ain't no draft, troll, and I sure wouldn't want you in my foxhole, on my ship, standing next to me on a flight line, anyway..
Do you understand that your whole future is dependent on the US gaining control of Iran?
Understand I don't care if the US burns down, falls over and sinks into a swamp, but if you're going to live in the US, it's going to be a miserable existence for you and your children and grand-children, if the US can't gain control of Iran.
Iran already sells oil and natural gas to Japan in Yen instead of US Dollars which reduces the demand for US Dollars and weakens it against the Euro. China and Iran have reached an agreement to sell oil and natural gas in Yuan/Renmibi, and that will probably start June 1 and you'll see the US$ decline even further.
UNOCAL (now Chevron) owns 75% of the oil, natural gas and mineral rights in the Central Asian states. Those fields are being developed, but if the oil and natural gas is sold in Euros or Rubles instead of US$, it will be a serious blow to the US economy.
If the US cannot impose its hegemony on the Central Asian states, then it cannot control the currency in which those commodities are sold, and the only way the US can exert its hegemony is to control Iran.
And no one can say it doesn't matter, because it does. If it didn't, then Iraq would still be selling its oil in Euros, but it isn't because the US is forcing Iraq to sell its oil in US$.
When I was in the XVIIIth Airborne Corps, we trained to invade Iran, well not Iran, just a small province in Iran called Khuzestan. 80% of Iran's oil is located there and it represents 4% of the world's oil. The US will easily gain control of it. Those are Arab-Iranians who live there, not Persian-Iranians. On at least 12 occasions over the last 100 years they have tried to become independent from Iran, the last two times they tried were during the 1979 "revolution" and then again during the Iraq-Iran War. They would view the US as "liberators."
The great thing is that all of the oil and natural gas in Khuzestan goes into the Syrian-Iraqi pipeline, or the Kuwaiti-Saudi pipeline, or right to the port facilities on the Persian Gulf, except for one minor natural gas pipeline that goes through the foothills of the Zagros Mountains, so you don't have to worry about gasoline being $8/gallon, but you do have to worry about keeping your job if the US doesn't invade Iran.
This is a shortsighted statement IMHO. War creates additional inflation. All this will do is bid up prices for other assorted consumer goods, creating additional social unrest domestically. America would have to militarize, open detention centers, and begin forcing its own citizens to hold onto the dollar through currency controls. This situation would make the US a very unpopular area in the world to do business. The added benefit of claiming oil fields would be more than offset by the massive collateral damage in our economic infrastructure.
Underestimating the resilience of the Iraqi terrorist insurgents is just a small example of why I believe what you say can unfold. Never underestimate the lack of wisdom in today's political leaders.
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