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Democrats have left behind their liberal principles too.
JFK was all about finding ways to serve your country and build the system. This years Democratic primary was all about finding ways to get more freebies and drain the system.
Look at the constant denials of the scientific method . For example the BLM movement has a predetermined conclusion that mass systemic racism has lead to blacks being disproportionately shot by police and any statistical evidence of crimes, the gap being bigger with Asians to whites, males to females, young adults to old adults must be thrown out the window.
Look at the blatant racism of many leftists with their social justice talk. Only whites can be racist, you have to be an anti-racist or you are a racist, etc.
Equality has taken a back seat as we push an agenda of special privilege for select groups.
Not judging people by the color of their skin has taken a back seat as identity politics demands that we do so.
Local leaders in Portland and Seattle have enabled outright chaos and disorder on the streets.
Tolerance, opposing censorship, and diversity except for conservative thoughts.
"I disagree with every word you just said, but I'd die to protect your right to say it" to "cancel culture."
The reason why liberals want the GOP to return to “principled conservatism” is because it is so easy to defeat. Trump managed to go into the Democrats backyard and win over formerly staunch Democrat voters.
“Principled conservatives” were being gradually beaten by Demographic shifts. Trump undermined that narrative that the GOP was doomed to failure by winning Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Liberals want a return to “principled conservatism” because it would bring Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania firmly into their camp while demographic changes mean Texas, Georgia, and Arizona will be purple to eventually solid blue.
Ding, ding, ding...
"Buckleyite" conservatism just isn't a winning formula, particularly with the demographic shifts underway.
This is going to be a big problem for Republicans in the next few years. But I don't know if they'll be able to tackle it directly, and admit how far they've left behind all their fundamental ideas. And this is by Bret Stephens, a conservative writer.
Goodbye Principled Conservatism
Under Trump, the politics of resentment now govern the Republican Party.
This form of politics — not as a complement to statecraft, but as the outpouring of resentment — is what has come to define the conservative movement in the age of Trump.
Conservatives used to admire Edmund Burke. Not anymore, insofar as Burke stood for the importance of manners and morals to the health of the state. Conservatives used to admire Milton Friedman. Not anymore, insofar as Friedman stood for free trade, sound money and a balanced budget. Conservatives used to admire Scoop Jackson. Not anymore, insofar as the Washington state Democrat was a champion of the idea that human rights should stand at the center of U.S. foreign policy. Conservatives used to admire Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. Not anymore, insofar as both Reagan and Bush believed in humane immigration reform, international coalition building, standing up to Russian tyrants and, when possible, making deals with Democrats. politics of resentment now govern the Republican Party. https://thisisalocalshop.com/2020/10...-conservatism/
Hilarious-
Dems are used to Republicans just laying down and cowering to their threats. They hated Trump because he did not back down from their attacks.
Trump NEVER went on the attack- the uncivil dems always did that. Trump just responded to their attacks and then they were shocked.
16 years ago, I voted for George W. Bush. Part of it was me being guilted into it (for religious reasons). On the flip side, I never thought of him as that bad of a person. What soured it for me was how Hurricane Katrina was handled. If not for that, it would not have been bad at all. Fast forward to the last 4-5 years. I find myself supporting 3rd party candidates. I'm seeing both the Democratic and Republican parties cannibalizing themselves. With the GOP, it looks like Trump supporters vs everyone else.
When it comes to principled conservatism, this is what I see. I watched a clip of John McCain's concession speech. It was touching and sad at the same time. If McCain had won in 2008, I don't think it would have been a bad presidency. What was more telling was the audience. The audience booed at the mere mention of Obama's name. Seeing McCain having to tell his own audience to knock it off, TWICE, should have been a sign that principled conservatism was on its way out. When Trump insulted McCain in 2015, that should have been the end for Trump.
I think there are lots of so called conservatives that are racist, even though they deny it. Obama wasn't far out of mainstream Democrat ideology, and actually governed as a centrist. The only reason I can think that so many conservatives hated him was that he is Black. McCain would have done a decent job as President, but choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate put him in the "Do Not Vote For" category for me, and I voted third party.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
Hilarious-
Dems are used to Republicans just laying down and cowering to their threats. They hated Trump because he did not back down from their attacks.
Trump NEVER went on the attack- the uncivil dems always did that. Trump just responded to their attacks and then they were shocked.
You have obviously been in a different country for the last 4 years. Trump is always on the attack, it's what he does to avoid the one thing he was brought up to avoid - being a "loser". That's why he is incapable of seeing a situation resolve in a manner that both, or all, sides are happy with. Toi Trump, it's all win or lose. If the other guy wins, you must have lost, so he always goes for the win as he defines it, regardless of any negative impacts on the country.
Exactly, you don't have to be a Trumpist, a Conservative, a Republican, or an Independent to see the craziness of all the different directions recent Democrats have gone. I'll call it Wokism. A good example is all of the Democrat contenders trying to Outwoke the others. What happen to the Bill Clintons of the Democrat party
Even far left progressive Matt Taibbi of the Rolling Stone and liberal Jonathan Turley have been red pilled and realize the Democrats have become totalitarian nuts.
Democrats have left behind their liberal principles too.
JFK was all about finding ways to serve your country and build the system. This years Democratic primary was all about finding ways to get more freebies and drain the system.
Look at the constant denials of the scientific method . For example the BLM movement has a predetermined conclusion that mass systemic racism has lead to blacks being disproportionately shot by police and any statistical evidence of crimes, the gap being bigger with Asians to whites, males to females, young adults to old adults must be thrown out the window.
Look at the blatant racism of many leftists with their social justice talk. Only whites can be racist, you have to be an anti-racist or you are a racist, etc.
Equality has taken a back seat as we push an agenda of special privilege for select groups.
Not judging people by the color of their skin has taken a back seat as identity politics demands that we do so.
Local leaders in Portland and Seattle have enabled outright chaos and disorder on the streets.
Tolerance, opposing censorship, and diversity except for conservative thoughts.
"I disagree with every word you just said, but I'd die to protect your right to say it" to "cancel culture."
Your complaints are mostly race-related. and not necessarily part of the "Democrats" as a whole. But i think that Democrats have mostly kept to their basic ideas - that education should be promoted, that health care should be broadly available, that voting rights shouldn't be curtailed, that poor people should be helped. They've kept to their fundamentals much more than Republicans have.
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Originally Posted by LS Jaun
Exactly, you don't have to be a Trumpist, a Conservative, a Republican, or an Independent to see the craziness of all the different directions recent Democrats have gone. I'll call it Wokism. A good example is all of the Democrat contenders trying to Outwoke the others. What happen to the Bill Clintons of the Democrat party
Democrats go in different directions because we're not in lockstep as Republicans are. Republicans have a long tradition of that lockstep, but even more so now with Trump who has them cowed.
My observation is Conservatism and the Republican party went off the tracks when the T-Party movement came on the scene. Their rapid rise and embracing by those that felt disenfranchised by the existing parties helped push the party to where they are today. It seems their presence as gone down as a separate party but I see that they have morphed into the GOP and form the Trump base that is so vocal today, same mannerisms and tactics.
You don't have a clue what the Tea Party was.
It was simply the Ross Perot voters once again preaching fiscal conservatism.
This is going to be a big problem for Republicans in the next few years. But I don't know if they'll be able to tackle it directly, and admit how far they've left behind all their fundamental ideas. And this is by Bret Stephens, a conservative writer.
Goodbye Principled Conservatism
Under Trump, the politics of resentment now govern the Republican Party.
This form of politics — not as a complement to statecraft, but as the outpouring of resentment — is what has come to define the conservative movement in the age of Trump.
Conservatives used to admire Edmund Burke. Not anymore, insofar as Burke stood for the importance of manners and morals to the health of the state. Conservatives used to admire Milton Friedman. Not anymore, insofar as Friedman stood for free trade, sound money and a balanced budget. Conservatives used to admire Scoop Jackson. Not anymore, insofar as the Washington state Democrat was a champion of the idea that human rights should stand at the center of U.S. foreign policy. Conservatives used to admire Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. Not anymore, insofar as both Reagan and Bush believed in humane immigration reform, international coalition building, standing up to Russian tyrants and, when possible, making deals with Democrats. politics of resentment now govern the Republican Party. https://thisisalocalshop.com/2020/10...-conservatism/
IOWs Democrats get mad when you use their tactics. Specifically accusing your opposition of things you’re actually doing. Confession through projection.
"Buckleyite" conservatism just isn't a winning formula, particularly with the demographic shifts underway.
Trumpism is not working for me either. That is why I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 and Jo Jorgensen in 2020. I'm not a fan of William F. Buckley either.
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