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Old 12-05-2020, 11:50 AM
 
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That's simply not true. There might be that many covid deaths, but how many of those folks would have died anyway in the past eight months?
Already answered that.
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Old 12-05-2020, 11:56 AM
 
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The number yesterday was 248.

7-day average is 163, and trend is sharply up.
In that past week:

11/28 - 85
11/29 - 53
11/30 - 68
12/1 - 236
12/2 - 218
12/3 - 223
12/4 - 245 (not 248)

11/30 to 12/ was a sharp trend up. Since then, not so much.

El Paso County had 144 new deaths (population of 720,000). The next highest was Dallas County, with 19 (population of 2.6 million). 56 counties had zero new deaths. 22 counties had one new death. There are 250 counties in Texas. Five counties have more than 10 new deaths.

It is POINTLESS to spew numbers of deaths unless you use deaths per thousand.
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Old 12-05-2020, 11:59 AM
 
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Already answered that.
You only sort of answered it. You said covid deaths have exceeded historical deaths. But you also stated that there were 300,000 extra deaths. Unless covid deaths exceeded by 300,000, you are wrong.

Give us the numbers, so we can compare for ourselves.

Cue the "you can google it yourself" excuse.......
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Old 12-05-2020, 12:01 PM
 
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No, they are extra. The only thing you have to do is to compare the number of deaths since the start of the outbreak this year to the number of deaths during the same period last year. The difference exceeds the official Covid count.

BTW, Japan has 48 times lower Covid death rate than that of the US.
So what if the covid deaths are lower in Japan? That doesn't change the fact that MANY more Japanese have killed themselves than have died from covid.
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Old 12-05-2020, 12:03 PM
 
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I'm seeing articles now about healthcare workers begging for more mandates. I wonder at what point those healthcare workers will just quit and refuse to subject themselves and their families to Covid. I worry about the future of our healthcare system even after we finally get a handle on this.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/05/healt...mic/index.html
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Old 12-05-2020, 12:08 PM
 
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I'm seeing articles now about healthcare workers begging for more mandates. I wonder at what point those healthcare workers will just quit and refuse to subject themselves and their families to Covid. I worry about the future of our healthcare system even after we finally get a handle on this.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/05/healt...mic/index.html
They can get in the breadline with those who have been thrown out of work by govt restrictions and media induced anxiety attacks.
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Old 12-05-2020, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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97% recovered ... again, just saying.
I don’t care.

The U.S. is 4th of the 36 “developed nations” on earth in terms of death per capita.

It’s primarily due to our Trumpers though Blue is also culpable.
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Old 12-05-2020, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Oh, it's working alright ... like a charm.
If you don’t think it’s working (because this is sarcasm) then why do you support it?
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Old 12-05-2020, 12:20 PM
 
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You only sort of answered it. You said covid deaths have exceeded historical deaths. But you also stated that there were 300,000 extra deaths. Unless covid deaths exceeded by 300,000, you are wrong.

Give us the numbers, so we can compare for ourselves.

Cue the "you can google it yourself" excuse.......
Now, what I said is that the extra deaths this year have exceeded the official Covid death count.

Yes, you can google it yourself, but ok:



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#dashboard

It might not load properly, so click on "number of excess deaths" and then update the dashboard. Scroll down. And then, do not take the lower value, because the last several weeks of data is severely incomplete as explained below:

"Number of deaths reported on this page are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. Data are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death. "
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Old 12-05-2020, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Stop with the lies. Nobody - NOBODY - said it was a hoax. That's a liberal lie that the mainstream media continues to spew.

Your number of 250 dead a day is also a lie.

And just reporting numbers doesn't tell the entire story. Texas is HUGE. Almost all the deaths are in one county, along the Mexico border. The number of deaths as a percentage of the population is virtually the same in Texas and New York, yet you haven't called out New York as being indifferent to the deaths. The number of deaths in Illinois is almost double that of Texas, yet complete silence.

Stop. Just stop.
Finn is in FL. He doesn't know anymore about Texas than I do in NC. I do know that Worldometers says they haven't had 250 deaths in a single day since August. And their 7-day average is now as high as Aug 27.

to compare El Paso to the state and country ...

6th largest population, 4th most cases, 5th most deaths.
63% of deaths are > 70; 82% are > 60.
they've 2 days of cases in the hospital; 1/3 a day's cases in the ICU (I don't know if this includes those patients sent to other hospitals)
current death rate at 1.3%

meanwhile in the US ...

hospitalizations = 1/2 day new (so EP 4x as bad), ICU's are 1/12 of a day's cases (so EP is 6x as bad).
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