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Old 12-03-2020, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Exponential growth gets insane pretty quick. By the time Biden takes over we will be seeing some insane numbers. We could have avoided most of this with good leadership.
have you seen Biden's plan? Said he had one, so far, no mention of it. Did he lie to us already?
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Old 12-03-2020, 08:34 AM
 
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I dont think its a hoax, but statistically speaking, the odds of me dying are extremely rare. Because its is such a minimal risk, I choose to live life free from fear. I have zero concern about Covid and if I got it and died tomorrow, thats on me and the only ones that should be upset are my immediate family and friends. I will accept that risk and I would like to think many of the deaths to date are from people just like me who chose to accept the risk and have the mentality of whatever happens happens.
The number of people who died of Covid today is almost equal to the number of people who died on 9/11. Think about that. The same number of people who died on that awful day are dying daily from the virus. I'm sure some of these folks also thought the chance of them dying from Covid was "extremely rare" and a "minimal low risk". Your attitude is exactly what is keeping us in this mess!
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Old 12-03-2020, 09:01 AM
 
Location: NH
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The number of people who died of Covid today is almost equal to the number of people who died on 9/11. Think about that. The same number of people who died on that awful day are dying daily from the virus. I'm sure some of these folks also thought the chance of them dying from Covid was "extremely rare" and a "minimal low risk". Your attitude is exactly what is keeping us in this mess!
9/11 was a terrorist attack and none of them had a choice in the outcome which is why it was tragic. Much different from Covid.

Sickness and disease happen, people die and life goes on. Deaths of those that accepted the risk are just another death. I would not want anyone feeling bad for me or using my death as a fear tactic to promote mandatory precautions to others. I know at least 10 people, several were high risk that have had Covid and they experienced nothing more than what felt like a hangover for a couple days. We live in a country with a population of roughly 331 million people and less than 300K have died.
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Old 12-03-2020, 09:42 AM
 
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It's not about 300K dead. It's about hospitals approaching capacity. That's all it's ever been about - officially. Really.


Whatever you think about your own health, age, risk - whatever - what will happen when your kid needs a doctor after a car accident and the hospital is full? Maybe you have a heart attack and need ICU - what then?



It's about resources. Please stop ignoring this fundamental policy. It's not MY Policy. It's not MY opinion. It is literally the OFFICIAL policy of, well, pretty much every nation. Deaths play a small role - but they are not the main factor here. Dead people do not need hospitals.
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Old 12-03-2020, 09:56 AM
 
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I dont think its a hoax, but statistically speaking, the odds of me dying are extremely rare. Because its is such a minimal risk, I choose to live life free from fear. I have zero concern about Covid and if I got it and died tomorrow, thats on me and the only ones that should be upset are my immediate family and friends. I will accept that risk and I would like to think many of the deaths to date are from people just like me who chose to accept the risk and have the mentality of whatever happens happens.
It's not just about you dying. You have to keep in mind the following:

Yes, your chance of dying is minimal but a decent amount of people are having long term side effects which can end up being a permanent issue for the rest of your life.

Believe me, as someone who had health issues that were a result of life saving surgery, having chronic health issues is not fun.

Secondly, just because you get it and do ok doesn't mean that those who get the virus because of you spreading around unknowingly (look up asymptomatic spreaders) well fare just as fine.

So again,it's not just about dying or the risk you are willing to take. It's something that affects everyone around you,based on the actions you yourself take.

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9/11 was a terrorist attack and none of them had a choice in the outcome which is why it was tragic. Much different from Covid.

Sickness and disease happen, people die and life goes on. Deaths of those that accepted the risk are just another death. I would not want anyone feeling bad for me or using my death as a fear tactic to promote mandatory precautions to others. I know at least 10 people, several were high risk that have had Covid and they experienced nothing more than what felt like a hangover for a couple days. We live in a country with a population of roughly 331 million people and less than 300K have died.
You talk about people having choice with Covid-19....yeah, the people who have to show up to work at hospitals or essential business have a choice in being exposed to Covid-19

And according to your logic, only 2k people died from 9/11 so as such, we shouldn't have spent all that time, money and manpower to retaliate.... because it was only 2K lives....oh and those people did have a choice...they shouldn't have been working in a high rise building that was a prime terrorist target....see how dumb this sounds but that is exactly how your argument sounds regards Covid-19.
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Old 12-03-2020, 09:57 AM
 
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I dont think its a hoax, but statistically speaking, the odds of me dying are extremely rare. Because its is such a minimal risk, I choose to live life free from fear. I have zero concern about Covid and if I got it and died tomorrow, thats on me and the only ones that should be upset are my immediate family and friends. I will accept that risk and I would like to think many of the deaths to date are from people just like me who chose to accept the risk and have the mentality of whatever happens happens.
The part you are leaving out is that if you got it today and gave it to dozens of other Americans who in turn died... that is also on you.

I don't wear the mask and practice social distancing just for myself and my family. I do it for a coworker that is immunocompromised. I do it for the teenage pizza flipper that could bring it home to his parents. I do it for the pensioner bagging groceries at the supermarket to make ends meet.

Honestly, there isn't anything more American than limiting one's perspective to only your own. That's why we have upwards of 200k cases per day and more than a Pearl Harbor's worth of death daily from this.
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Old 12-03-2020, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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CONTROL!!!!
I think it’s cute when Trumpers think they are free.
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Old 12-03-2020, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Everyone PANIC!!!!!!

HIDE UNDER YOUR BED!

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIIIIIIIEEEEEEE
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Old 12-03-2020, 10:27 AM
 
Location: NH
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It's not just about you dying. You have to keep in mind the following:

Yes, your chance of dying is minimal but a decent amount of people are having long term side effects which can end up being a permanent issue for the rest of your life.

Believe me, as someone who had health issues that were a result of life saving surgery, having chronic health issues is not fun.

Secondly, just because you get it and do ok doesn't mean that those who get the virus because of you spreading around unknowingly (look up asymptomatic spreaders) well fare just as fine.

So again,it's not just about dying or the risk you are willing to take. It's something that affects everyone around you,based on the actions you yourself take.



You talk about people having choice with Covid-19....yeah, the people who have to show up to work at hospitals or essential business have a choice in being exposed to Covid-19

And according to your logic, only 2k people died from 9/11 so as such, we shouldn't have spent all that time, money and manpower to retaliate.... because it was only 2K lives....oh and those people did have a choice...they shouldn't have been working in a high rise building that was a prime terrorist target....see how dumb this sounds but that is exactly how your argument sounds regards Covid-19.
I understand this, however, if I wear a mask, sanitize, wash my hands, social distance, etc. there is very little chance of me catching it just because others arent. Ironically, many of the ones I see out and about that appear to be in a high risk category are the ones not doing what is suggested. Also, the inconsistent policies are whats causing the spread and should not necessarily be blamed on those with opposing views.

Everytime I go out I feel that I there is a potential to be exposed to Covid. If I was a healthcare worker I would not feel any differently and take the necessary precautions if it meant going over and above.

FYI, your logic implied that I said something I didnt and that is what sounds dumb which is exactly how your argument sounds to me, lol.
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Old 12-03-2020, 10:37 AM
 
Location: NH
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The part you are leaving out is that if you got it today and gave it to dozens of other Americans who in turn died... that is also on you.

I don't wear the mask and practice social distancing just for myself and my family. I do it for a coworker that is immunocompromised. I do it for the teenage pizza flipper that could bring it home to his parents. I do it for the pensioner bagging groceries at the supermarket to make ends meet.

Honestly, there isn't anything more American than limiting one's perspective to only your own. That's why we have upwards of 200k cases per day and more than a Pearl Harbor's worth of death daily from this.
I understand others perspectives and why they do what they do, but I also have my own opinion. My opinion does not reflect the fact that I do wear a mask when I go out. I hate every second of it, but I do it. This forum just allows me to vent.
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