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Old 12-22-2020, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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then that would be a legal challenge that should have happened before the election.
No kidding? Try research a little, then you will know that challenges were made before the election. What news sources do you people follow that leaves you so uninformed?

It's really difficult to fight for law and justice, when we have an entire political party devoted to not following the law, if they think violating our laws will benefit them politically. And then we have 80% of the news media in this country keeping people ignorant.

It's insane, we have to spend hours going thru the media sites reading stories just to try and find small pieces of the truth. So much of the news we get is nothing but political opinion. Half of the time the so called facts are nothing more than partisan hacks quoting the biased opinions of so called experts, who are themselves nothing but biased political hacks. And that's if social media is not blocking everyone who expresses opinions or actual facts, that the social media don't agree with.

 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:45 AM
 
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What Im wating for him is for him to eventually say he will run in 2024 to keep the scam going, and people REALLY send him their money.
Going to be fun to see how the Republican party extricate themselves from that mess. Half their voters will be sending money to a guy who'll spend what cash his brood doesn't grab on extra gold leaf on his golf cart (and paying down his debt to the Russian mob) rather than campaigning. I'm actually OK with that - not only does it serve them right, morally, it's generally the better outcome for the country when Republicans lose.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:47 AM
 
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You cannot make changes to laws on the fly, otherwise laws do not matter.
I seem to recall some guy insisting that state legislatures get together and pass ex post facto laws to reassign electors.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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were the challenges successful?
We might find that out in two years, after they snarl their way thru the courts.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:49 AM
 
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We might find that out in two years, after they snarl their way thru the courts.

are any of those cases still active? ( specifically the challenges filed before the election )
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:51 AM
 
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i caught part of a segment on OAN where they were arguing the changes were akin to pre-civil rights voter suppression. not sure how making it easier to vote equals suppression.
You have to remember OAN's premise: Power belongs to Republicans. When those population segments who tend to vote Democratic actually get to vote, they outnumber Republicans. What good is it to vote Republican if your vote gets suppressed by a matching Democratic one?

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Old 12-22-2020, 10:07 AM
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Location: On the Border
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You cannot make changes to laws on the fly, otherwise laws do not matter. We had many months to change election laws thru the legislature. So don't fall for the notion that a board of directors or a governor can simply change our laws on the fly as they see fit, and the state legislature cannot do anything about it.


Voters had many months with COVID to learn all about it, and apply for an absentee ballot, and to fill it out properly. Changing procedures to allow improperly filled out ballots, without signatures, or calling people to "cure a ballot" was not done to protect lives. So don't make this out to be like people lives were in peril unless election laws were modified by governors, boards of directors and judges, bypassing the state legislature.
As reality dictates, you can see you are flat wrong about the bolded. Laws can and do change on the fly to deal with specific situations. Thank God. Representatives changing laws as they see fit is what representative democracy is all about.

Those things were done to protect those peoples right to vote. Which, while guys love taking it away (how un-American is that?!), is important in a representative democracy as well.

No proof of wide spread election fraud. Because there was none.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
You cannot make changes to laws on the fly, otherwise laws do not matter. We had many months to change election laws thru the legislature. So don't fall for the notion that a board of directors or a governor can simply change our laws on the fly as they see fit, and the state legislature cannot do anything about it.
And for the most part you had many months to fight the changes.

None of these fights would have been this intense if Trump had won.

it's simple.

The only reason "voter fraud" is being cried so hard is because Trump refuses to face reality, most of America would rather have a walking corpse as a President rather than Trump.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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State election laws were not followed, there were unlawful changes made by governors and state election boards, that is not arguable, and it's sure as hell is not just my opinion.

Yeah, it is just your opinion, when your opinion runs afoul of the people who have made law their lives and have been given the authority to make authoritative decisions that the government will act upon.


You're acting like an airplane passenger who has decided he doesn't like the route the pilot has chosen, so he's trying to break into the cockpit to wrest control from the pilot.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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Of course changes were made to state election laws which did not go thru the state legislature, don't try to claim otherwise.

You're trying to claim those changes were unconstitutional. The people whose job it is to define "constitutional," people with years of training and years of experience with questions of constitutionality, people both elected and appointed, disagree with you, all the way up the chain.



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