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Old 12-08-2020, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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The legal avenues have largely been exhausted with no significant fraud laid to bare. Any instances of fraud, such as the MS13 case in California, should of course be investigated and prosecuted but the legal basis for continuing to pretend Trump should have won are closing off. In Barr's words they just haven't found any to investigate. That could always change but barring any new developments it's effectively a dead horse.

 
Old 12-08-2020, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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It's on the extraordinary claim of fraud to provide lawful, admissible evidence in court. Why don't you understand this?
Because he doesn't want to.
 
Old 12-08-2020, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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With the coup attempted during the 2020 election, one theme that seems to come out time and time again is the ANGER manifested by democrats that the election fraud has been discovered and that legal avenues are being initiated to reverse the coup.

1. If the election was fair, investigations will confirm that.

2. If the election was fair, Biden WILL BE the next president.

3. If the election was fair, no one will go to jail for election fraud.

4. If the election was fair, an investigation should be encouraged by the states to demonstrate to the public how safe and fair the elections are.


…………………………...So why are dems terrified at having an investigation of the fraud claims? If the election was perfectly legal, you should WELCOME such investigations to "prove" your contention.
I don't think anyone is afraid of investigations or challenges. I welcome them. We're not going to be able to have any sort of civil society or governmentally productive future if Trump continues to bang the drums of fraud and people continue to believe it despite the absence of any evidence. There wasn't anything out of the ordinary this election, and the courts are proving that. Investigate away.
 
Old 12-08-2020, 09:58 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Six days to go. Better hurry up with those "investigations".
 
Old 12-08-2020, 09:58 AM
 
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Why do you say that? You have ZERO evidence of widespread election fraud. It's just another one of Trump's 20,000+ lies that he's told over the last 4 years.

It looks to me like the Republicans are the ones opposed to democracy. They actively tried to prevent people from voting and now they want to invalidate votes in the states they lost.
There are mountains of evidence of widespread election fraud, illegalities and various constitutional violations and inequities. Just because you refuse to look at any of it, does not mean it is not there. And it is there - in vast quantities.

The statement repeated by Democrat leftists that there is ZERO evidence is a blatant, flat-out, complete and total, unconscionable lie.
 
Old 12-08-2020, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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1. If the election was fair, investigations will confirm that.
I'm glad you admit that. Since all the investigations to date have not turned up any fraud that can stand in a court of law, then you admit the election was fair.

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2. If the election was fair, Biden WILL BE the next president.
Since you admitted above that the election was fair, then indeed, Biden will be the next president. You're making progress!

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3. If the election was fair, no one will go to jail for election fraud.
Since you admit the election was fair, per #1, you are correct, no one will go to jail for election fraud.

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4. If the election was fair, an investigation should be encouraged by the states to demonstrate to the public how safe and fair the elections are.
This is pretty much the same as #1. A bevy of investigations haven't produced a single shred of evidence of fraud admissible in a court of law. Thus, it has been demonstrated that elections are safe and fair.

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…………………………...So why are dems terrified at having an investigation of the fraud claims? If the election was perfectly legal, you should WELCOME such investigations to "prove" your contention.
We are not terrified at having investigations of fraud in the election. YOU are afraid to admit that dozens of attempts to demonstrate fraud in dozens of courts of law have all failed. Those attempts are what constitutes legal investigations. And once again, they have all failed. Thus, you are de facto admitting the election was fair, you just don't realize it.
 
Old 12-08-2020, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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There are mountains of evidence of widespread election fraud, illegalities and various constitutional violations and inequities. Just because you refuse to look at any of it, does not mean it is not there. And in vast quantities.

The statement repeated by Democrat leftists that there is ZERO evidence is a blatant, flat-out, complete and total, unconscionable lie.
Nobody is looking because the people actually INVOLVED in the election process from the opponent party (Republican) say there is nothing there.

All the conspiracy people can say about that is that those Republicans were in on the fix.

What you have is "mountains" of baloney being perpetuated in order to agitate the Trump base.

It is absolutely the responsibility of the opposing party to be a watchdog concerning the other side.
 
Old 12-08-2020, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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No one is for election fraud, but everyone is for winning.
 
Old 12-08-2020, 10:07 AM
 
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I think they got the idea of “guilty unless proven innocent,” from democrats’ dirty playbook with which they ripped into Kavanaugh. Why not use their own tactics against them.
 
Old 12-08-2020, 10:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
There are mountains of evidence of widespread election fraud, illegalities and various constitutional violations and inequities. Just because you refuse to look at any of it, does not mean it is not there. And it is there - in vast quantities.

The statement repeated by Democrat leftists that there is ZERO evidence is a blatant, flat-out, complete and total, unconscionable lie.
No there isn't.

If there were, the Trump Team would have presented that evidence in court. To date, they haven't presented a single shred of evidence that indicates wide-spread election fraud. If such evidence exists, what are they waiting for? Oh that's right... it doesn't exist.

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