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Old 12-10-2020, 03:58 PM
 
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How do you make that out?


because ACTUAL payers are outnumbered by freeloaders especially where I live.
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:09 PM
 
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So to be clear, you hold voting to be a privilege, not a right?
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Well in that case, Donald Trump wouldn't have been allowed to vote for several years.
LMAO

Good point.
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:16 PM
 
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How would you determine that someone is "retired"? Did they have to work full time up to 65 years old? How about if they were extremely successful and managed to be able to leave the work force at 40?

When you are seeking to keep certain people from voting, it's very important to find out who you're specifically trying to take the right to vote away from. What "particular group", as you say, you're trying to silence.
Slippery slope here.

DH retired at 52. But we still pay a bunch of income tax at 82.

What about people who have never been gainfully employed but are owners of property and other assets that require income taxes be paid?
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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because ACTUAL payers are outnumbered by freeloaders especially where I live.
Ya know, there really aren't freeloaders or payers.

We're all just pawns moved around on a chess board to fill out boxes so the government can devise it's ponzi schemes. The freeloaders have a role to play that's just as important as the so-called payers.

I've never once thought of myself as a freeloader (when I lived in poverty) or a payer (as a well-off adult). The box they check for me just changed while my goal has always been the same: see the system, work the system to my advantage, and pray they don't decide to cage/kill me.

That's how "this thing of ours" works, my friends.

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Old 12-10-2020, 04:20 PM
 
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It's not a different topic. People who pay sales taxes pay into state and local governments. They should be disenfranchised because they pay no federal income taxes?

What about federal gasoline taxes? They don't count? What other federal taxes do folks pay on a regular basis?

Your premise is a lousy one. Why are some people so hell bent on suppressing the vote?
Is there still a federal tax on phones that pays for running lines into rural areas so they can have computers? WiFi?

What about bond holders who financed the TVA?
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:29 PM
 
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Why do only federal income taxes count in this discussion? Payroll taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, gas tax... poor people might end up paying a larger percentage of their total income in taxes than the wealthy.

It's not bad enough that they are poor; now you want to take away their right to vote as well?!?
There's all kinds of sites that tell us and show us low income earners pay a larger percentage of their income in taxes than the well off.

The right keeps on with that BS about most of the tax revenue comes from the rich. Like where else would it come from. The top 10 percentage owns as much as the bottom 50+ %.
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:49 PM
 
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As part of that lower end of the middle class tax bracket myself (I'm middle of the economic middle where I live), I don't hold with the notion that it's okay to disenfranchise lower income people of their vote in federal elections.

Those votes for representatives are about far more than "free" stuff--especially when it comes to single-issue voters. Trust me--those people aren't casting their votes for free higher education, even though a lot of them would surely benefit from it.
So it's ok to "disenfranchise" people like me who pay the out anal orifice and receive nothing but more taxes and laws all so freeloaders and deadbeats can vote themselves more free stuff?
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:51 PM
 
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Ya know, there really aren't freeloaders or payers.

We're all just pawns moved around on a chess board to fill out boxes so the government can devise it's ponzi schemes. The freeloaders have a role to play that's just as important as the so-called payers.

I've never once thought of myself as a freeloader (when I lived in poverty) or a payer (as a well-off adult). The box they check for me just changed while my goal has always been the same: see the system, work the system to my advantage, and pray they don't decide to cage/kill me.

That's how "this thing of ours" works, my friends.


Since you're so well off and just playing the game would you like to Venmo me some money just for the hell of it?
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
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So it's ok to "disenfranchise" people like me who pay the out anal orifice and receive nothing but more taxes and laws all so freeloaders and deadbeats can vote themselves more free stuff?

You're getting a piece of pie, too. Most of those supposed freeloaders and deadbeats don't vote for one reason or another. Heck, too many Americans don't vote...period. Have you seen what voter turnout looks like in this country--especially in a year without a presidential election?

One person, one vote regardless of income or class.
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