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View Poll Results: Are you American first or does state take priority?
State first 6 8.45%
American first 37 52.11%
Individual first (no loyalty to state/country, would move to another country) 22 30.99%
Other 6 8.45%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-10-2020, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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With the periodic talk of secession and the like. Where do you fall? Are you an American first or a state resident first?

Having grown up a military brat that constantly moved between states as well as overseas I've got no real ties or loyalty to any particular state. Still get the itch to pack up and move every few years.

Are you states first, nation first, or non-statist? Does that guide how you feel about states rights matters, electoral college, etc?
Considering how many times I've moved in my life, I can say with certainty that I'm not loyal to any one state. I like some more than others, but I'm not loyal to any of them.

As for loyalty between "American first" or "Individual first" - America is about individualism, despite the efforts of those who want to create hive minds. Therefore, to say that I'm for individualism first means that at the same time, I'm also American first. They are not separate - they are the same.

It was the entire point of this country.
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Old 12-10-2020, 07:38 PM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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American first. But I am no longer certain we should continue as a single nation. The federal govt police state is beyond out of control. From excessive taxation and extreme squandering of public funds, to oppressive federal pseudo police and crooked politicians to life saving covid treatments being only available to the oligarch "friends of Trump."

If we are to continue as ONE nation, then we need to BE one nation, not 50 states and do away with the redundency of state govt. One set of laws, for the whole nation. National licensing, not having to get different licenses and permits for every new state. It is ridiculous. One national police agency, with local offices. One health and retirement system.

So we need to decide, will we continue as one nation? If so then let's stop acting like 50 separate nations. And if not... well then I guess you better skin that smoke wagon and start the boogie.
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Old 12-10-2020, 07:40 PM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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I'd prefer an independent California nation. I have for a while.
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Old 12-10-2020, 07:46 PM
 
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I'd prefer an independent California nation. I have for a while.
me too.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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The individual is the smallest minority. If rights and freedoms are not protected at the individual level, they are not protected.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:15 PM
 
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My country is all of these United States. It is a Federation of states. I prefer my state above other states, but not above the federation of states.

If I move I will prefer my new state above other states, but not above the federation of states.

At home I fly the stars and stripes, I don't even own a state flag.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Individual....no loyalty to state or federal governments. Could probably say I'm loyal to community/others who share the same values, which isn't geography-based.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:24 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Oh, c'mon...give Biden a chance.....if he makes it, that is....
As with past Presidents I'll give h{er|im} a period where I wait and see if {s}he's up to the task and let h{er|im} win me over. Usually that's about a year. In Trump's case I tried for a while to wade through the horseshyte and see if there was something worthwhile. Then I realized it wasn't worth the effort.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:35 PM
 
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With the periodic talk of secession and the like. Where do you fall? Are you an American first or a state resident first?

Having grown up a military brat that constantly moved between states as well as overseas I've got no real ties or loyalty to any particular state. Still get the itch to pack up and move every few years.

Are you states first, nation first, or non-statist? Does that guide how you feel about states rights matters, electoral college, etc?
I’m an American first ....BUT, if the Constitutional Republic no longer stands.
I’m a Texan

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Other.......

CONSTITUTION first.

Let the SCOTUS decide, and live with it.



CN
We either follow the Constitution and for which it stands ...
OR, as Ben Franklin said ... “A Republic if you can keep it.”

I voted OTHER
We are in grave danger of losing our Republic. Our Republic is supposed to be about LAW, not Men.
When some States decide LAW doesn’t matter, we are in serious trouble.

Local and State Judges do not overrule elected Legislators. They do not have the power to override the US or State Constitutions .... based on Political Agenda.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Whatever is good for me and my family is first.
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