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Well, actually, the bold does make sense to me because if someone does not have the virus, they won't be spreading it. (But that being said, I have no intention of EVER being vaccinated for the flu or for COVID. At the risk of sounding completely crazy, I would not put it past the government to try this method of getting rid of so many "outdated" seniors like me and those who are very unhealthy, old or not. Yeah, you don't have to say it -- I know this is very paranoid thinking! Plus it would be almost impossible to institute as thousands of people would need to be in agreement with such a diabolical plan.)
But the hypocrisy of those who say it is okay if some elderly die from the vaccine, but it is not okay if some elderly die from the virus -- well, I can't even think of any word or phrase that describes such an attitude . . . Suggestions, anyone?
Not paranoid in my opinion. Similar sorts of things have been done many times over human history. And... we're still human with those age-old human weaknesses.
But the hypocrisy of those who say it is okay if some elderly die from the vaccine, but it is not okay if some elderly die from the virus -- well, I can't even think of any word or phrase that describes such an attitude . . . Suggestions, anyone?
I suggest you think a bit harder about it and realize that your false equivalency is false. Tests have been done, and we now know beyond any reasonable doubt that the vaccine is safer for elderly people... safer by orders of magnitude, than the disease.
I suggest you think a bit harder about it and realize that your false equivalency is false. Tests have been done, and we now know beyond any reasonable doubt that the vaccine is safer for elderly people... safer by orders of magnitude, than the disease.
That might VERY possibly be true -- but you did not address the main question as to why some people think it is okay to risk killing possibly hundreds of old and/or very unhealthy people by giving them the vaccine, but that all old/unhealthy people must be protected from getting the virus even it it means ruining the lives of millions of others through loss of their jobs, as well as risking mental problems and educational delays in millions of young people.
That might VERY possibly be true -- but you did not address the main question as to why some people think it is okay to risk killing old people by giving them the vaccine but that all old people must be protected from getting the virus even it it means ruining the lives of millions of others through loss of jobs and risking mental problems and educational delays in millions of young people.
Huh?
The idea is to vaccinate the elderly and other vulnerable people so that they will be protected as society gets back to normal. What exactly is your problem with that?
If you're already on death's door due to COVID, a vaccine at the 11th hour isn't likely to do much. Same as getting someone antibiotics after an infection spreads to the brain, giving someone with late-stage canced chemo, or a car crash victim surgery.
The goal of the vaccine is to prevent it from getting to a point where people get so bad where death is a possibility.
The idea is to vaccinate the elderly and other vulnerable people so that they will be protected as society gets back to normal. What exactly is your problem with that?
I don't have a problem with that IF the vaccine is safe and IF vaccinations are voluntary. My problem is that at this point, I am not convinced that the COVID vaccine would be safe, and I don't like the flu vaccine because it might not even work, as the flu changes from year to year. (This is what I have read, anyway.https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...-so-often-fail)
I've posted this a few times in this forum ... basically, per the CDC, influenza is at historically low levels this year due to social distancing, hand washing & masks.
I don't have a problem with that IF the vaccine is safe and IF vaccinations are voluntary. My problem is that at this point, I am not convinced that the COVID vaccine would be safe, and I don't like the flu vaccine because it might not even work, as the flu changes from year to year. (This is what I have read, anyway.https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...-so-often-fail)
Yeah, that's why the flu vaccine changes as well, lol.
People die all the time from all sorts of disease, illness and accident. It is a part of life.
What is odd is that we have heard very little about combating a known killer that rears its ugly head this time of year, the common flu. I guess covid has beaten the flu down?
One has to wonder when Biden takes over that the covid death rates will go down simply because the hospitals will be listing the actual cause of death and not giving the virus credit for every one?
Isn't it nice after 4 long years of CNN telling us that the sky is falling due to everything Trump, that they are now urging us not to be alarmed. Thanks CNN I can finally step back from the ledge.
The same measures that mitigate COVID-19 will mitigate influenza. This year's flu season in the Southern Hemisphere was almost non-existent.
No one is calling all deaths COVID-19 deaths.
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As will the vaccine, so no, I was not ignoring that. People that are sick and weak would die faster from either the vaccine (and why do they want to give it to the elderly first) just like they do from COVID 19. I don't see why we should not be alarmed by people dying as a result of the vaccine vs dying from COVID 19. In both cases, the people are dead. Dead is dead. Oh, when people said one death from COVID 19 was one death too many (the cry of the liberals complaining about Trump not being able to stop the pandemic), the libs were all patting one another on the back over such a profound statement, but now, we have "Don't be alarmed if people die from the vaccine." Why not in this case "one death is one death too many"? I can tell you $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
There is no evidence that people who are "sick and weak" will die faster if vaccinated.
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Disgraceful that you should evoke the holocaust to compare to the current situation.
Shall we invoke Godwin's Law?
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Guess what? Despite being at historically low levels, influenza is surging as well. It is flu season.
"Seasonal influenza activity in the United States remains lower than usual for this time of year."
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That might VERY possibly be true -- but you did not address the main question as to why some people think it is okay to risk killing possibly hundreds of old and/or very unhealthy people by giving them the vaccine, but that all old/unhealthy people must be protected from getting the virus even it it means ruining the lives of millions of others through loss of their jobs, as well as risking mental problems and educational delays in millions of young people.
There is no evidence that the vaccine will even "possibly" kill "hundreds of old and/or very unhealthy people".
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I don't have a problem with that IF the vaccine is safe and IF vaccinations are voluntary. My problem is that at this point, I am not convinced that the COVID vaccine would be safe, and I don't like the flu vaccine because it might not even work, as the flu changes from year to year.
The flu vaccine is on average 40% to 60% effective. It seems silly not to use it just because it is not 100% effective.
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