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Old 12-12-2020, 12:24 PM
 
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The left has definitely escalated polarization over the last years, and has also condoned violence in an attempt to make Trump look bad.

So now, with Biden almost seated, they are upset at what they have caused?

When you let the cat out of the bag, it’s sometimes impossible to put it back in.

 
Old 12-12-2020, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Any acts of sedition and treason by violent fascists will have to be put down by force, if necessary, to include mobilizing the U.S. military. Perhaps we need to expand GITMO to include this new threat to our democracy.
 
Old 12-12-2020, 12:28 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Dude.......

Were you vacationing this summer? We’ve already had violence and were told it was a good thing.

All snark aside, if they do it will be limited to a pocketful of the overly committed. Unlike what we saw going on with the BLM revolts, conservative fence-sitters and the merely disappointed will not join in the merriment. It will not be seen as a social opportunity, virtue signaling opportunity, looting opportunity, or as something to do other than just sit at home. What is more, local/state leadership will not tolerate it. Don’t worry, if it does start it will die down quickly.
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Old 12-12-2020, 12:31 PM
 
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I dont think Trump realizes what all his talk of 'fraud and cheating' is going to result in!

I get emails from the Trump campaign every day and they all state very clearly, "WE MUST NEVER ALLOW THIS FRAUD TO SUCCEED" and other statements like it...

So, what are all his followers and supporters going to do on the day Biden is declared the official winner?!...Naturally they are going to see this as fraud succeeding...that is when the violence starts imo.

They will see it as their patriotic duty to stand up and stop this, at all costs.

They are not going to just settle down and accept it, and/or learn to live with Biden as their president...that would be the same thing as allowing the Govt to take away free speech, or another important right American citizens have!
A couple of things.

First, it does not matter what Trump says. If Trump comes out today and says:
"Never mind. This is all just too much trouble. Let's us all just get along. Forgive and forget, blah, blah, blah. I quit and I want everyone to capitulate to the Democrat left and go along with whatever the agenda is that is put forward by Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. etc."
It would change nothing. The election was stolen. The fraud was not only massive, it was ham-fisted and in your face. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or a fool, and probably a bit of both. People with their brains turned on do not listen to the corporate mass media anymore. Those people are propaganda merchants and dependable only in their untrustworthiness.

If this is allowed to stand, we no longer have free, fair, trustworthy elections in this country. That is far bigger than President Trump. I think he knows that, but even if he doesn't, it is. All patriotic Americans who are not cowards will stand against this treachery to their last breath.

As far as the violence, there are worse things than war, violence, destruction and people dying in wars. Those things include tyranny, treachery, slavery, cowardice, selfishness, just to name a few. Here is an excellent quote from John Stewart Mill (1848), that speaks to this righteously and very eloquently:
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“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people.

A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration.

A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”
It would be better to go to war and run the streets red with blood, here in the United States of America in the year 2020, than to passively capitulate and accede to this heinous treachery against our nation, against our constitution and against the people of our great country.

If Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were to be sworn in, it would only be as usurpers and imposters. They would not only be illegitimate, they would be like a virus or a cancer that had invaded our body politic. And that would not in any way depend on what Donald Trump had to say about it.

Of course the only proper thing would be to do everything possible to get rid of them and their supporters both as the traitors to our nation that they obviously are. Since they would have imposed themselves outside any legitimate sense of justice, they would not deserve the protection of these things either. They would be enemies of our nation and would be deserving of a usurpers exit.

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Old 12-12-2020, 12:36 PM
 
Location: 49th parallel
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Violence is happening as we speak. The Spokane Democratic Center in Washington state had a right-winger enter the premises with a bomb just this week. That effort was foiled but he managed to set fire to the place anyway.
 
Old 12-12-2020, 12:41 PM
 
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Violence is happening as we speak. The Spokane Democratic Center in Washington state had a right-winger enter the premises with a bomb just this week. That effort was foiled but he managed to set fire to the place anyway.
And there are likely some people cheering it on. It wouldn't surprise me if this happens again. I think there will be violence on both sides.
 
Old 12-12-2020, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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There's been tons of violence over the past 4 years as democrats have burned, looted and murdered their way towards their desired end goal, whatever that may be. Have you been living under a rock or something???
I think the current body count is weighted to the right wing extremists.

1. Running a car into a crowd killing someone.
2. El Paso Wal Mart killings (going after 'brown people')
3. Boogaloo killings in CA
4. Poway synagogue shooting
5. Jeffersontown Kroger shooting
6. Pittsburgh synagogue shooting
7. Portland train attack



That's not all of the recorded ones since Trump took office. That's over 40 people killed by right wing extremists.

Have you been living under a rock or something?
 
Old 12-12-2020, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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There's been tons of violence over the past 4 years as democrats have burned, looted and murdered their way towards their desired end goal, whatever that may be. Have you been living under a rock or something???
Those were peaceful protests. The media told me so.
 
Old 12-12-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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This time though, the violence will be coming from republicans!


There is a very fine line separating 'patriotism and domestic terrorism'.
Violence from the left is ok for them.. its their brown coats. They think the right will just take it and sit down. I think they are mistaken.. deadly mistaken
 
Old 12-12-2020, 01:00 PM
 
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Violence from the left is ok for them.. its their brown coats. They think the right will just take it and sit down. I think they are mistaken.. deadly mistaken
It's just like the bully that finally gets stood up to, when it's time for their smackdown they go crying.

The reality is, there have been extremists on both sides, for a long time...long before there was a Trump. One side does seem to get a free pass though. Mostly because they shield their violence behind a "cause", black lives matter, defund the police, hands up don't shoot, antifa, etc. They push the limits, then when they get backlash, they hide behind those "causes"...and the other side looks like they are the bullies. It's really brilliant thinking...anyone that calls out violence in the name of antifa must be fascist...or anyone that calls out violence in the name of BLM must be racist....we've had to deal with this since 2014.

Sure, there might be splinter groups on the right that just plain hate everyone...but they usually keep to their trailer parks or dirt floor cabins.
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