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Old 12-12-2020, 06:44 PM
 
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No you are wrong. The Supreme Court FOLLOWED THE LAW.

You are just crying because you didn't get your way.


One state has the constitutional right to make it's own laws.

Furthermore you are for DENYING millions of American citizens their God given legal and constitutional right to vote and stripping them of their voices.

Go to Russia if you want an unelected autocratic strongman.

Our Constitution states, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, in crystal clear language.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors


The Defendant States are alleged to have violated this provision by appointing electors in a manner not authorized by the State Legislature, and is required by our federal Constitution. For example, the State of Pennsylvania appointed its electors using no-excuse mail in ballots which violates Pennsylvania’s Constitution, namely Article VII, § 14 which the State Legislature is bound to adhere to.


JWK

Today’s Fifth Column media ___ MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, in addition to Facebook, Twitter ETC., and countless Yellow Journalists who are socialist revolutionaries ___ make Russia’s old Pravda, [an organ of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union] look like propaganda amateurs.
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Old 12-12-2020, 07:27 PM
 
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Our Constitution states, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, in crystal clear language.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors


The Defendant States are alleged to have violated this provision by appointing electors in a manner not authorized by the State Legislature, and is required by our federal Constitution. For example, the State of Pennsylvania appointed its electors using no-excuse mail in ballots which violates Pennsylvania’s Constitution, namely Article VII, § 14 which the State Legislature is bound to adhere to.


JWK

Today’s Fifth Column media ___ MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, in addition to Facebook, Twitter ETC., and countless Yellow Journalists who are socialist revolutionaries ___ make Russia’s old Pravda, [an organ of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union] look like propaganda amateurs.
What your not including is the 12th amendment of the Constitution, as well.

You're also ignoring the state legislature has the power to create laws to assign who runs the election in their state. While they create some rules and guidelines, but leave much of the micro-decision making of the carrying out the election is legislated to a member in the executive branch of that state. The state legislature decided that power and that is how our elections have been legally run for decades.

The Secretary of State in Georgia was granted his power from the Georgia Legislature when they created the law in Title 21 of the GA Code. The GA legislature was granted that power by the Constitution and must conduct it in accordance with the 12th amendment. The GA legislature does create boundaries and guidelines for how the Secretary of State handles the election, however it does not legislate every operational rule and decision. That power was legislated to the Secretary of State, however.

It was all legal.

Furthermore, it is no place for Texas to have any say over what happens in Georgia. They relief they sought was to overturn the election in a dangerous Radical Fascist act.

So really you're just arguing fake hot-air caused by Radical Fascist Republican misinformation.
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Old 12-12-2020, 07:31 PM
 
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Our so-called "supreme court" is nothing but a group of leftist ANTIFA thugs.
That just so happen to be majority conservative of Republican heritage . . .It's all right, we're getting used to other people on here making utter fools of themselves by not doing even a modicum of cognitive reasoning before doing the lemming leap.
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Old 12-12-2020, 08:04 PM
 
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Our Constitution states, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, in crystal clear language.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors


The Defendant States are alleged to have violated this provision by appointing electors in a manner not authorized by the State Legislature, and is required by our federal Constitution. For example, the State of Pennsylvania appointed its electors using no-excuse mail in ballots which violates Pennsylvania’s Constitution, namely Article VII, § 14 which the State Legislature is bound to adhere to.


JWK

Today’s Fifth Column media ___ MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, in addition to Facebook, Twitter ETC., and countless Yellow Journalists who are socialist revolutionaries ___ make Russia’s old Pravda, [an organ of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union] look like propaganda amateurs.

The Secretary of State in Georgia was granted his power from the Georgia Legislature when they created the law in Title 21 of the GA Code. . . . So really you're just arguing fake hot-air caused by Radical Fascist Republican misinformation.
The example I gave has to do with the State of Pennsylvania . . . not Georgia. Try paying attention to what has been written and then offer your rebuttal.


Our federal Constitution states in crystal clear language, see Article II, Section 1, Clause 2:

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors ..."


Pennsylvania violated this provision by appointing electors using no-excuse mail in ballots which violates Pennsylvania’s Constitution, namely Article VII, § 14 which the State Legislature is bound to adhere to.


The argument is about abiding by the rule of law and protections the rule of law affords vs arbitrary and unconstitutional acts engaged in by those exercising political power.

JWK


"If the Constitution was ratified under the belief, sedulously propagated on all sides that such protection was afforded, would it not now be a fraud upon the whole people to give a different construction to its powers?"___ Justice Story
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Old 12-12-2020, 08:17 PM
 
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You seem to ignore what our Constitution states in crystal clear language.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors
Exactly. Legislature thereof. The Legislature thereof of Pennsylvania or Wisconsin or Georgia is not the State of Texas. Really doesn't matter at all if the State of Texas thinks that Georgia's Secretary of State overstepped the authority granted to the office of Secretary of State in Georgia by the legislature of Georgia. Georgia issue.

Outcome was as expected. The State of Texas is not the legislature of Georgia.
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Old 12-12-2020, 08:28 PM
 
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Our Constitution states, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, in crystal clear language.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors


The Defendant States are alleged to have violated this provision by appointing electors in a manner not authorized by the State Legislature, and is required by our federal Constitution. For example, the State of Pennsylvania appointed its electors using no-excuse mail in ballots which violates Pennsylvania’s Constitution, namely Article VII, § 14 which the State Legislature is bound to adhere to.


JWK

Today’s Fifth Column media ___ MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, in addition to Facebook, Twitter ETC., and countless Yellow Journalists who are socialist revolutionaries ___ make Russia’s old Pravda, [an organ of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union] look like propaganda amateurs.
No-excuse absentee ballots do not violate Article VII, Section 14. That says they shall provide provisions for certain situations. It does not say shall only provide and anyone else shall be required to vote in person. The legislature of Pennsylvania allowed for no-excuse absentee ballots in 2019. Texas may not like this but that is irrelevant.
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Old 12-12-2020, 08:43 PM
 
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Our Constitution states, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, in crystal clear language.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors


The Defendant States are alleged to have violated this provision by appointing electors in a manner not authorized by the State Legislature, and is required by our federal Constitution. For example, the State of Pennsylvania appointed its electors using no-excuse mail in ballots which violates Pennsylvania’s Constitution, namely Article VII, § 14 which the State Legislature is bound to adhere to.


JWK

Today’s Fifth Column media ___ MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, in addition to Facebook, Twitter ETC., and countless Yellow Journalists who are socialist revolutionaries ___ make Russia’s old Pravda, [an organ of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union] look like propaganda amateurs.
In Wisconsin today a federal court looked exactly at this issue and dismissed it. What the court said, essentially, is that the Wisconsin legislature specifically authorized the Wisconsin Elections Committee to make the changes in question. Therefore there is no Constitutional issue.

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-c...dckt-134_0.pdf
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Old 12-12-2020, 09:08 PM
 
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No-excuse absentee ballots do not violate Article VII, Section 14. That says they shall provide provisions for certain situations. It does not say shall only provide and anyone else shall be required to vote in person. The legislature of Pennsylvania allowed for no-excuse absentee ballots in 2019. Texas may not like this but that is irrelevant.
Thank you for you opinion.


Clause 1 of Article VII of Pennsylvania's Constitution states:

"Every citizen 21 years of age, possessing the following qualifications, shall be entitled to vote at all elections subject, however, to such laws requiring and regulating the registration of electors as the General Assembly may enact."

In fact Section 14 of Article VII was enacted which is titled:

§ 14. Absentee voting.

(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence, because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election, are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.


As you can see, Section 14 provides two, and only two ways by which a qualified elector may cast his or her vote in an election:

(1) by submitting his or her vote in propria persona at the polling place on election day; and

(2) by submitting an absentee ballot, but only if the qualified voter satisfies one of the specific conditions under which absentee voting is authorized as outlined in Pennsylvania's Constitution

No-excuse absentee ballots are not authorized by § 14. "Absentee voting". The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77 is a legislative attempt to fundamentally change Pennsylvania's voting system, permitting no-excuse mail-in voting, without amending Pennsylvania's Constitution


Article VII, §§ 1 and 4 of the Pennsylvania Constitution have not materially changed since the Court struck down legislation unconstitutionally expanding mail-in voting in Lancaster City.

E. Act 77 is a Clear Violation of the Constitution and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has Previously Struck Down Similar Laws and Set Aside Illegal Mail-in Ballots.


JWK
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Old 12-12-2020, 09:08 PM
 
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You seem to ignore what our Constitution states in crystal clear language.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors


The Defendant States are alleged to have violated this provision by appointing electors in a manner not authorized by the State Legislature.

JWK

Today’s Fifth Column media ___ MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, in addition to Facebook, Twitter ETC., and countless Yellow Journalists who are socialist revolutionaries ___ make Russia’s old Pravda, [an organ of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union] look like propaganda amateurs.
The coup that you and your side tried to do against the will of this nation has been squashed.

Get over it. America won and your side lost....cope harder.
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Old 12-12-2020, 09:15 PM
 
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The example I gave has to do with the State of Pennsylvania . . . not Georgia. Try paying attention to what has been written and then offer your rebuttal.


Our federal Constitution states in crystal clear language, see Article II, Section 1, Clause 2:

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors ..."


Pennsylvania violated this provision by appointing electors using no-excuse mail in ballots which violates Pennsylvania’s Constitution, namely Article VII, § 14 which the State Legislature is bound to adhere to.


The argument is about abiding by the rule of law and protections the rule of law affords vs arbitrary and unconstitutional acts engaged in by those exercising political power.

JWK


"If the Constitution was ratified under the belief, sedulously propagated on all sides that such protection was afforded, would it not now be a fraud upon the whole people to give a different construction to its powers?"___ Justice Story

No, you started this thread discussion the Texas lawsuit, which was against 4 states.

The lawsuit was against Georgia and includes Georgia too.


As for Pennsylvania, my same arguments apply to them and you need to not forget the 12th amendment to the Constitution.

The power is given the legislature of the state and the legislature of the state legislated the inclusion of mail-in ballots in this years elections. The U.S. Constitution gives the Pennsylvania legislatures the power to do this, as you keep pointing out in Bold. They are allowed to legislate rules to how the election is handled. Additionally, another provision the Pennsylvania Constitution gives the legislature power to choose methods of holding elections, but they are required maintain voter privacy. It is within their right to legislate the 'mail-in' ballot they they did. Pennsylvania used Act 77 to add mail-in ballots, in addition to absentee ballots. Absentee ballots require voters to be out of jurisdiction or sick, but the new 'mail-in' ballots do not. They are two different types of ballots to request per Pennsylvania law.

It should also be noted that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court unanimously throughout a direct lawsuit over this matter previously. This issue was reviewed and judged by the proper court.
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