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Even if a third party of Trump is created, I dont logically see him get enough votes. the Green Party and others dont get as much votes. however, if there are too many bad Republicans, i cannot vote for them. I dont know what i will claim when 2022 and 2024 rolls around. Lets see who is running.
if its a good Republican like maybe Tom Cotton, or Ted Cruz, or maybe Kristi Noem, running for president, I'd vote for them. But if theres people like RINOS, then NO. I will be a liberterian.
Sorry if you don't like my characterization of what I call the Trumpublican party. It sees to me that there is quite a divide in the GOP these days. One faction, which looks to Trump as their leader, is certainly more "far right" than the other faction, which doesn't appear to have a leader beyond the Lincoln Project and maybe Romney, seems to me to be the more traditional Republican party.
I'm not really concerned that my post on this forum "inflames the division"....I'm a nobody. Those in Washington who inflame the division are the ones that concern me.
As for your other question, I have no idea if that is true or not....and certainly don't have an explanation either way. The only thing I see is that more people voted in the recent election than at any other time. I'm sure that means more Democrats, more Republicans, more black people, more Hispanic and Jewish voters, and probably more of any other segment of society.
That, I consider a good thing. I'm always disappointed when an election at any level only brings out a low voter turnout regardless of which side wins....
The death of the GOP is greatly exaggerated, please remember how well they did in down ballot races. They will most likely keep the senate and they greatly closed the gap in the house. They will probably re-gain the house majority in the mid-term election.
How many GOP supporters are truly die hard Trumpers vs. loyal republicans? I would suggest most are loyal republicans and will quickly forget about Trump. In '24 republican voters will choose between a Trump supported candidate vs. the candidate which gives them the best chance of taking back the White House. The Trump effect will fade away and voters will chose whomever gives them the best shot of winning.
We've had several threads, where rationale was given, for why American politics and governance tend to promote and entrench the existence of just two major parties. And that all but guarantees factionalism within the respective parties.
In a more perfect world, there would be 3-4 viable major parties, each with a narrower and thus clearer agenda. There would be a nativist-populist party, not necessarily along ethnic lines, but one that represents culturally conservative and inward-looking interests. Separately, there would be a pro-business party, that represents investors, professionals, academics, and the sort of people who regularly deal and travel internationally... the sort of people who read the Financial Times. On the left, there would be a "democratic socialist" (or words to that effect) party... basically left-populists... and some other sort of agglomeration to represent the remaining interests on the left.
Perhaps the main achievement of the Trump era, will have been a catalyst for transformation of the American political system, enabling such splitting of the parties, and thus, more clarity in their messaging and their intended constituents.
The death of the GOP is greatly exaggerated, please remember how well they did in down ballot races. They will most likely keep the senate and they greatly closed the gap in the house. They will probably re-gain the house majority in the mid-term election.
How many GOP supporters are truly die hard Trumpers vs. loyal republicans? I would suggest most are loyal republicans and will quickly forget about Trump. In '24 republican voters will choose between a Trump supported candidate vs. the candidate which gives them the best chance of taking back the White House. The Trump effect will fade away and voters will chose whomever gives them the best shot of winning.
I think the success of down-ballot Rs has a lot to do with moderates who voted for Biden, wanting to ensure a balance of power rather than actual support for the GOP in it's current state.I think most voters are centrist and not a fan of the extremes of either party. Both parties pandering to those factions are shooting themselves in the foot. Rs have the dubious distinction of embracing a truly awful, selfish, unqualified con man though.
We've had several threads, where rationale was given, for why American politics and governance tend to promote and entrench the existence of just two major parties. And that all but guarantees factionalism within the respective parties.
In a more perfect world, there would be 3-4 viable major parties, each with a narrower and thus clearer agenda. There would be a nativist-populist party, not necessarily along ethnic lines, but one that represents culturally conservative and inward-looking interests. Separately, there would be a pro-business party, that represents investors, professionals, academics, and the sort of people who regularly deal and travel internationally... the sort of people who read the Financial Times. On the left, there would be a "democratic socialist" (or words to that effect) party... basically left-populists... and some other sort of agglomeration to represent the remaining interests on the left.
100% agree with all of this. More parties and power sharing would do American democracy a world of good. As it is, they're both backed by Wall Street and have no interest in sharing that power. It's not in their interest to let more parties in.
Much like the idea of term limits for congress, it's something I think the public would back, but is never going to be proposed. Whenever anyone floats the idea of voting third party they get told their vote is wasted and get shamed into voting for the lesser of two evils to stop candidate x from winning. It's negative politics.
The Whigs were one of the two major parties in the United States during the late 1830s, the 1840s, and the early 1850s, the DNC being the other. Basically it fragmented and the institution of slavery deeply divided the party. The Republican Party became dominant soon after.
Today you have the Establishment Republicans and the Populist wing which has taken over the party. It won't be able to survive if this continues. The Feud between Trump and the very conservative Republicans in Georgia over the election is a very bad sign for the GOP.
Here is the only immediate-term path I can see to avert this oncoming train of a democratic breakdown... 1/
Senate and House Republicans who are rightly horrified by their colleagues’ support for the Texas lawsuit immediately leave the Republican Party and form a new Conservative Party. 2/
in 2022, it is possible that the House will be majority Republican, if the trend like 2020 continues, so many Republicans took seats, they lost NO House seats, and several Dems lost. Even people are beginning to hate Pelosi both Dems and Repubs.
Seems like people voted for Republicans but not Donald Trump IF the ballots were legitimate. some have a theory that lots of people voted Repubs for down-tickets, but they just didn't like Trump.. In any case, the evidence shows they did want more Repubs in the Senate and House.. well the Senate has yet to be decided by GA runoffs.
So who knows, depends on how Biden does the job.
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