US Barreling Towards Separation - For or Against? (weapons, conspiracy, Obama)
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I don't know, I've been hearing it from both sides and discussed more often just in the past week as the best solution to the problem. The Timcast IRL show tonight had a good discussion
Second, Just because the fringe <1% on both sides are discussing it....most are a bunch of moms basement or semi-living under a bridge while out of the institution types....doesn't mean anyone is going to follow their lead.
But by all means, express your right to free speech but you me and your xbox all know this is just video game dreamin'.
over 100 million people view this as the dirtiest election in their lifetimes, it's downright shameful what the media did to suppress polls and every negative thing about Biden while promoting every unsubstantiated negative thing about Trump, not to mention the illegal mail in ballot laws that allowed tens of thousands to vote twice (or more)
But that is all besides the point, there are two alternate realities in the US today, and they are completely incompatible. The left is complete divorced already from the reality of every day Americans
There is no real division of blue/red states even if the Electoral College makes it appear so. The division is between urban an rural areas. Dallas and Houston are not going to favor a Texas secession. New Orleans is not going to favor a Louisiana secession. Atlanta is not going to favor a Georgia secession, et cetera. Nor will any of the major business interests in any of those states be in favor of that kind of upheaval. There's not going to be any kind of clean secession regardless of the constitutionality of the matter.
Russian bots pushing this idea very hard on city-data over the past year. They seem particularly desperate and frantic after Trumps loss.
But to be honest, if Russia and China had become democratic and the mideast more stable, I wouldnt be totally against exploring the idea. In a more stable, solidly democratic world the US could peacefully partition into multiple nations and form an EU type economic zone. And possibly get along better apart than when together. Sort of like the divorced couple who becomes good pals after the split.
The continued, dragged out loss after loss by Trump is having a healing effect I think. Each time another GOPer or head of state congratulate Biden/Harris, the holdouts get smaller, more supporters accept reality. We distance ourselves from civil war day after day.
It’s really not about accepting the election results. I don’t know why that’s brought up here at all. The differences in what the two sides want for the future of this country, the future for their kids, what each side believes in and stands for is a divide that keeps widening. Sure some GOPers are congratulating Biden*/Harris, but just wait till the negotiations start. The cordiality will quickly disappear. The system is broken. Middle ground is lost.
As someone said though, it’s urban v non-urban, and not state v state. So how would it even work.
While I'm always in favor of separation, it is impossible.
"If the government is formed by the authority of the people, as embodied into separate communities, a dissolution of the Constitutional Compact would replace them in the condition of separate communities, that being the Condition in which they entered into the compact; whereas if formed by the people as one community, acting as such by a numerical majority, a dissolution of the compact would reduce them to a state of nature, as so many individual persons." - James Madison
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