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Old 12-18-2020, 08:06 PM
 
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Statistical Facts can be backhanded when you are trying to hide something.
Hide what? I've said this over and over. Statistics on their own are not racist. The reason for bringing them up is another matter. How do you expect me to react to comments like "the violent Black race" or "maybe it's not a bad idea to cross the street"? I ask because those comments confirm why SOME people bring up violent crime in the Black population. For SOME (not all, this only applies to those who bring it up for that reason), it's used as a reason to justify having a disdain for Blacks.

I had a conversation with friend of mine regarding Black on Black crime. No excuses between us. No arrogance between us. No anger between us. Just two people having an intelligence conversation. The reason I could have that conversation is because we respect each other. We didn't come to the table with backhanded remarks. We didn't come to the table with anger and hubris. We could talk about it with no excuses, no problems.

Answer this for me. And these are not rhetorical questions. I require answers to these questions. \

1) What do you expect me to make of comments like "the violent Black race" and "maybe it's not a bad idea to avoid Blacks" and the like?

2) Why should I bother to listen to and not write off someone who makes such comments?
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Old 12-18-2020, 08:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Hide what? I've said this over and over. Statistics on their own are not racist. The reason for bringing them up is another matter. How do you expect me to react to comments like "the violent Black race" or "maybe it's not a bad idea to cross the street"? I ask because those comments confirm why SOME people bring up violent crime in the Black population. For SOME (not all, this only applies to those who bring it up for that reason), it's used as a reason to justify having a disdain for Blacks.

I had a conversation with friend of mine regarding Black on Black crime. No excuses between us. No arrogance between us. No anger between us. Just two people having an intelligence conversation. The reason I could have that conversation is because we respect each other. We didn't come to the table with backhanded remarks. We didn't come to the table with anger and hubris. We could talk about it with no excuses, no problems.

Answer this for me. And these are not rhetorical questions. I require answers to these questions. \

1) What do you expect me to make of comments like "the violent Black race" and "maybe it's not a bad idea to avoid Blacks" and the like?

2) Why should I bother to listen to and not write off someone who makes such comments?
Here is a statistic not using race.
13% of the population, is responsible for 53% of ALL Murder in the USA, 69% of ALL violent crime, and 72% of ALL theft/robbery/burglary in the USA.
Then I ask you what is the common denominator..... and what can only be the conclusion, from observation and statistical testing?
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Old 12-18-2020, 08:39 PM
 
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Here is a statistic not using race.
13% of the population, is responsible for 53% of ALL Murder in the USA, 69% of ALL violent crime, and 72% of ALL theft/robbery/burglary in the USA.
Then I ask you what is the common denominator..... and what can only be the conclusion, from observation and statistical testing?
I will confront this, but you have to answer my questions first. Like I said before. Statistics are one thing. Nasty comments are a problem. Why said person is bringing up the subject is another matter. Answer my questions first, and then I will answer this.
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Old 12-18-2020, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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What complex solution do you propose for this complex problem ?
We stop paying poor people to have kids without fathers. I know, what a crazy concept.

When you pay poor people to have kids with no fathers, for some strange reason they have kids with no fathers.

Shaniqua doesn’t need a job when her 4 kids, single marital status, benefits, tax refund, and lack of taxes can bring in more than her and the dead beat father working at the local Wal-Mart combined.

There’s nothing complex about not paying people to raise dysfunctional households. Do you really think little black babies grow up hoping to be in jail or an early grave? That this is their destiny? NO. But with no father around, they despair and bad influences set in very quickly.
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Old 12-18-2020, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Here is a statistic not using race.
13% of the population, is responsible for 53% of ALL Murder in the USA, 69% of ALL violent crime, and 72% of ALL theft/robbery/burglary in the USA.
Then I ask you what is the common denominator..... and what can only be the conclusion, from observation and statistical testing?
This is what happens when you convince a demographic we are permanent victims.

Meanwhile, African immigrants are the most educated demographic in society.

Immigrants are far more grateful and ambitious than many native born Americans and it’s painfully obvious.
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Old 12-18-2020, 09:38 PM
 
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We stop paying poor people to have kids without fathers. I know, what a crazy concept.

When you pay poor people to have kids with no fathers, for some strange reason they have kids with no fathers.

Shaniqua doesn’t need a job when her 4 kids, single marital status, benefits, tax refund, and lack of taxes can bring in more than her and the dead beat father working at the local Wal-Mart combined.

There’s nothing complex about not paying people to raise dysfunctional households. Do you really think little black babies grow up hoping to be in jail or an early grave? That this is their destiny? NO. But with no father around, they despair and bad influences set in very quickly.

So basically what you're saying is, the solution to this "problem" is less resources?
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Old 12-18-2020, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Its called poverty with a taste of systematic racism. Not hard to see why.
Poverty doesn’t make you a violent criminal. Especially when that crime is murder.

We would have to release every murderer in jail because hey, it’s not theit fault, it was poverty’s fault.
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Old 12-18-2020, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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So basically what you're saying is, the solution to this "problem" is less resources?
Nope, the solution is to update the criteria of welfare qualification.

Right now we pay people to have kids out of wedlock, maybe we should try paying people to have two parent households instead. What a novel concept.
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Old 12-19-2020, 08:07 AM
 
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What do you think makes people violent and commit murder?



First, no one is forced to kill, notwithstanding self-defense, right?


What "makes" people "violent" ? the reasons are pretty simple, really. 1) Lack of foundational values, 2) No respect for the reason for life in the first place, 3) Lack of use/presence of reasoning skills, 4) Visceral emotions, no self-control, 5) key DNA markers found in cerebral cortex and frontal lob , 6) Behavioral abnormalities (inherited and/or developed), 7) No or limited learning skills in a negative social
environment, 8) No fear of retribution, 9) Pure jealous, emotive tendencies, 10) Drug and alcohol abuse, 11) Lack of self concept, 12) Plain stupidity/primitive/underdeveloped thinking, 13) "Monkey See, Monkey Do" home/community environment, 14) Lack of Judeo/Christian/Islam human ethical standards, 15) Chemical imbalances, inherent or acquired



and other "forces".... something as simple as the inability to communicate because of lack of verbal skills in an effort to resolve conflict....Ever listen to some of these people TALK?? It's not even clear English many times



Some human beings are more prone to violence. That is also true in the broader animal kingdom .


Some human beings "choose" to be "violent" when there is no developed level for "reason" and consequences. When they can't "reason", frustration resorts in "acting OUT".


Ever watch idiot fights by "professional" NBA players who earn millions? Ever watch viciousness of key NFL athletes? (It's a bit different than the bench-clearing events that occasionally happen in MLB after a pitcher hits a batter, and yes there is an occasional "controlled" one-on-one with NHL).


Look at the "off-the-field" violence committed by the irrational/no reason/emotive people.


Sometimes or most times, it's in their DNA/character. "I can't reason, so I'll kick your butt" or steal from you, or "I gonna kiel you !! " and it's not just men, it's found in their women's profiles as well.
No self control, No respect
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Old 12-19-2020, 08:09 AM
 
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Here is a statistic not using race.
13% of the population, is responsible for 53% of ALL Murder in the USA, 69% of ALL violent crime, and 72% of ALL theft/robbery/burglary in the USA.
Then I ask you what is the common denominator..... and what can only be the conclusion, from observation and statistical testing?

For those who don't believe this, here is the FBI table
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-43
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