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Old 12-16-2020, 11:59 AM
 
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Impossible to determine the number of people due to HIPA!


This is also why I dont think police have any business trying to enforce laws on prescription drugs...if they are finding out what medication someone is taking...they are violating HIPA laws.


HIPA laws are important too, would you want some law enforcement agency knowing what medication you are taking, and keep in mind, they would also be able to determine what you are being treated for as a result!
Once again, you can’t use “some” in this discussion.

Ask yourself how crazy this is “Some people may die, and we must ban XYZ”?

People are not your slaves. They have the right to take whatever drugs they like.
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:00 PM
 
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Or, like the millions of us out there, just choose not to do them ? If many of these people didn't make the choice, they wouldn't have the disease. Just like someone having unprotected sex, and then get an STD. Had they made the choice either to not have sex, or not have unprotected sex, they wouldn't have the STD.

Trying to get people to think addiction is just a disease all on it's own, is a way to normalize it and make people feel sorry for them.
Because the underlying problems are mental illnesses, not a choice. That's the point. People can work through and overcome these problems, but "just don't do drugs" is a very unproductive thing to say to people struggling with underlying mental issues.
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:05 PM
 
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Because it's a mental illness, not a choice. That's the point here.
Just saw your reply. So the underlying issue is a mental illness... because of this they no longer know right from wrong ? If so, they shouldn't be allowed out in society. Get them off the street.
I do see your point though, mental illness clouds ones judgment or they can't stand their lives, so the seek out something to make them feel better. I don't buy this for every addict though.
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:11 PM
 
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Because the underlying problems are mental illnesses, not a choice. That's the point. People can work through and overcome these problems, but "just don't do drugs" is a very unproductive thing to say to people struggling with underlying mental issues.
Firstly we have a very restrictive way of defining mental illnesses.

Secondly, if a person is mentally ill, he should be treated as such, but that does that have anything to do with the rest of us getting some drugs we like?
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:11 PM
 
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Just saw your reply. So the underlying issue is a mental illness... because of this they no longer know right from wrong ? If so, they shouldn't be allowed out in society. Get them off the street.
"Arrest people with mental illnesses instead of getting them the treatment they need" is what we've tried for decades. It doesn't improve society.

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Firstly we have a very restrictive way of defining mental illnesses.

Secondly, if a person is mentally ill, he should be treated as such, but that does that have anything to do with the rest of us getting some drugs we like?
The first people to interact with illegal drug users need to be social workers who can separate those with underlying mental illnesses from those without. Police are simply not trained to do that (nor should that be their job, in my opinion).
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:12 PM
 
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"Arrest people with mental illnesses instead of getting them the treatment they need" is what we've tried for decades. It doesn't work.
And neither is what we are doing now.
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:14 PM
 
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Because the underlying problems are mental illnesses, not a choice. That's the point. People can work through and overcome these problems, but "just don't do drugs" is a very unproductive thing to say to people struggling with underlying mental issues.
If people can be forced to give up their freedom so that a few mentally ill people can’t get their drugs. Can we force people to give up their freedom to save hundreds of thousands lives?
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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"Arrest people with mental illnesses instead of getting them the treatment they need" is what we've tried for decades. It doesn't improve society.



The first people to interact with illegal drug users need to be social workers who can separate those with underlying mental illnesses from those without. Police are simply not trained to do that (nor should that be their job, in my opinion).
Please name one person who was arrested for being mentally ill.
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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If people can be forced to give up their freedom so that a few mentally ill people can’t get their drugs. Can we force people to give up their freedom to save hundreds of thousands lives?
Who is being forced to give up their freedom?
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:16 PM
 
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Who is being forced to give up their freedom?
Can you buy and sell any drug you like?
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