I agree with Socialists...our system "enlaves" the 99% (ideology, economy)
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I paid credit card interest. And as i m paying off, they keep reducing the overall limit . I never hit that 10% uyilization limit. This is one of the most common tactics to keep you paying morei i terest for anything you birrow.
Very easily.
1. Make yourself into the best person you can be.
2. Look after your family and educate your children well.
3. Mind your own business and let other people choose the way they want to live.
1. Make yourself into the best person you can be.
2. Look after your family and educate your children well.
3. Mind your own business and let other people choose the way they want to live.
Its easier to marry to wealth And ditch your old boyfriend if you get a better deal, right?
Thats easier than above steps.
I m sure you are no phd or pilot or ssomething but even they got thrown out of thier jobs during this pandemic. Most disciplined and skillful of them all.
Usually it isn't voluntary. It's wage slavery, in that the laborer sells his or her time for a wage in order to live. Now, if one is an attorney or something comparable, working for a wealthy corporation, that may not be exploitation in the same way, since they are compensated in a way that a worker isn't. It's an unfair system, and the arguments that if one studied, or worked hard are offensive to someone who works at a Walgreens and another job at Costco, just to support themselves and family.
Let’s assume what you said is correct. It’s not.
Somehow this justifies forcing other people at gunpoint to pay for your expenses or pay you more?
Voluntary funding = voluntary taxation. On a small scale it can work (village). Anything larger, forget it. As the OP stated, wealth is relative. The less I "fund" and the more you "fund" then the better off I become relative to you.
I live in a condominium complex (360 units in 30 buildings) where the owners had been so unwilling to pay adequate assessments to maintain the place, the buildings were literally falling down around them! It had gotten so bad that one of the owners told me another owner offered to just give him two units for free... and he refused! It took a "revolution" to overthrow the board and impose a period of harsh austerity (doubled the assessments for 2 years), to catch up on some of the maintenance, as the roofs were about to start caving in from water damage. We literally had a riot at the board meeting when the assessments were levied. The police had to be called to restore order. Nearly three years later, many of the deadbeat owners have moved on and the value of the units has more than doubled. Those owners that remained who had fought so hard to oppose the assessments are now singing praises to the board for the great work.
If a group of condominium owners can't even come together to "voluntarily" pay for the necessary upkeep for something they have a vested financial interest it, do you really believe a government could be voluntarily funded?
If the government can’t be funded voluntarily, the people have already spoken with their own wallets.
I fail to see the morality of forcing the people to do what you want rather than what they want voluntarily.
Of course, if the people are your slaves, that would be fine in your eyes.
Voluntary funding = voluntary taxation. On a small scale it can work (village). Anything larger, forget it. As the OP stated, wealth is relative. The less I "fund" and the more you "fund" then the better off I become relative to you.
I live in a condominium complex (360 units in 30 buildings) where the owners had been so unwilling to pay adequate assessments to maintain the place, the buildings were literally falling down around them! It had gotten so bad that one of the owners told me another owner offered to just give him two units for free... and he refused! It took a "revolution" to overthrow the board and impose a period of harsh austerity (doubled the assessments for 2 years), to catch up on some of the maintenance, as the roofs were about to start caving in from water damage. We literally had a riot at the board meeting when the assessments were levied. The police had to be called to restore order. Nearly three years later, many of the deadbeat owners have moved on and the value of the units has more than doubled. Those owners that remained who had fought so hard to oppose the assessments are now singing praises to the board for the great work.
If a group of condominium owners can't even come together to "voluntarily" pay for the necessary upkeep for something they have a vested financial interest it, do you really believe a government could be voluntarily funded?
When you buy a condo, you VOLUNTARILY buy into an agreement which has its own set of rules enforced by government agents with guns. You may not like the agreement but that’s the condition of the sale and you can choose under your free will.
Your example is the irrelevant gold fish while we are talking about forcing people to do what you want them to do.
Last edited by lifeexplorer; 12-25-2020 at 10:09 AM..
My friend had a book called "How the other half lives". There was a story about a young woman who was living in a tenement in New York City, who had lost her job and was having a hard time finding work. She couldn't pay the rent and was facing eviction. She didn't know what to do. She asked people for help, but the only offer was a guy who propositioned her money in exchange for sex. She at first balked at the idea, because she was an honorable woman. But as she became more and more desperate she began to feel like that was her only way out. It was that or living on the streets.
She killed yourself so that she wouldn't dishonor herself.
"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lysander Spooner
"In democratic countries, the most important private organisations are economic. Unlike secret societies, they are able to exercise their terrorism without illegality, since they do not threaten to kill their enemies, but only to starve them." - Bertrand Russell
Capitalists like to assert that freely-contracted labor is voluntary. But is someone who agrees to something merely to avoid starvation and destitution, really doing so freely and voluntarily?
Let's pretend that all of the land in the United States was owned by only two people. Are you a free man merely because you can choose which of the two you want to work for? And what if only one of them will hire you?
Did you ever watch Braveheart? There's a part where Robert the Bruce is talking to his father and he says, "Men fight for me because if they don't, I throw them off my land and I starve their wives and their children."
So does that mean they fight for him voluntarily? By your definition, yes.
Exploitation means to take advantage of someone. This advantage is usually gained either from the person's desperation or ignorance. It is illegal for a prison guard to have sex with an inmate. The idea is that the guard might use his position to coerce women into having sex. He could do this either by offering them better treatment, better food, a better life, etc. Or the opposite, to make them miserable.
Is this not the "voluntary" choice all of us are forced to make when we go to work for some corporation? That doing so might alleviate our suffering?
And how did these people come to own everything anyway? How did this country become this country?
Let's pretend I'm some institution who can literally print off money, and I use that money to buy some land that was taken by the government because people didn't pay their property taxes. Does that make me the rightful owner of that property? And how much money is printed off every year and loaned out at below market-rates to privileged businesses? How long has that been going on?
Your young woman story is completely made up.
In the real life a person has social fabric and charity to rely on. Even assume she is an orphan, has no friends, and has no skills, so is she a totally useless person? Does that justify forcing other people at gunpoint to pay for her expenses? I don’t consider prostitution is dishonoring but I can understand her perspective.
The Robert Bruce story is even more laughable. Did you not realize there was a feudal system in place and the peasants had no choice not working for a lord because the lords owned all the land? If the peasants refused to fight for the lord, the lord could throw them off the land according to the letter of the law. This was far from a voluntary situation, isn’t it?
In the real life a person has social fabric and charity to rely on. Even assume she is an orphan, has no friends, and has no skills, so is she a totally useless person? Does that justify forcing other people at gunpoint to pay for her expenses? I don’t consider prostitution is dishonoring but I can understand her perspective.
The Robert Bruce story is even more laughable. Did you not realize there was a feudal system in place and the peasants had no choice not working for a lord because the lords owned all the land? If the peasants refused to fight for the lord, the lord could throw them off the land according to the letter of the law. This was far from a voluntary situation, isn’t it?
You preached in post 221 about how not to force other people how to live. And here you speak about charity.
Now here is your question based on your skewed ligic. Why should the charity support her?
Do they even have charities in china?
Seriously the “forcing people to pay over gunpoiynt “ and “ are they your slaves” is getting too old. Read some books if you can .
Take away humans need to eat and have shelter over their heads and you take away the power exploiters have over others.
So people should be forced to feed and house you? Wouldn’t that be classic slavery?
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