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The problem with the socialists/communists is everything they advocate is immoral and evil - they force people to pay for their version of utopia.
Both socialism and communism, regardless of flavor, are nothing but old fashion slavery where the socialists enslaved the rest of the population.
I agree.
Where the socialists are a little bit correct is that capitalism, in its current form, is also a form of slavery and/or exploitative. This is especially true because it really isn't anything like true free market capitalism. It's more like Cartel-ism where a few big companies dominate every industry. We already know there is a global oil cartel. (At least they're honest about what they are!). But there's also a media cartel (6 media companies own ~90% of the media), a health care cartel, a banking cartel, a tech cartel (especially in social media) etc.
Yet socialists think we have free market capitalism. Nothing could be further from the truth. So basically, instead of fixing capitalism to make it more free and competitive, they want a system that centralizes economic decision making and control even more than it already is. That does not make sense to me.
We all, including you, paid for your own Social Security and Medicare...They are not entitlements or welfare
Actually, they have become a kind of welfare. Most people don't pay in as much as they take out in benefits. That's an ugly truth most people don't want to look at.
Hmm,
things are worse than I thought.
Now, explain, in detail, how me gathering wild food on the land than belongs to someone initiates force against other people? I'm not touching those people in any way.
Let me help you - you probably mean that I'm initiating force against property of other people, right?
You have to walk across the border of the land, don’t you? You have to pick the food that belongs to the landlord don’t you?
Trespassing and stealing are both forms of force. I suggest you to read up the common law definition on force.
1. Forcing people to pay for your expenses is slavery. Please don’t ask me why slavery is wrong.
2. Giving people money that they didn’t earn is deeply immoral. Ever seen a sign that says “don’t feed the animals� That’s the same thing when you give people money they didn’t earn.
You have to walk across the border of the land, don’t you? You have to pick the food that belongs to the landlord don’t you?
Trespassing and stealing are both forms of force. I suggest you to read up the common law definition on force.
We will get back to laws in due time. For now I just wanted to confirm that the following two options you consider as invalid and not "voluntary":
1) Going out to gather wild food source(s) is not an option since all land belongs to someone else.
2) Going out to grow your own food is not an option since all land belongs to someone else.
Are these two options "voluntary" or not? Simple question, right?
Once I got a direct answer we will continue.
P.S. I'm really itching to skip all this steps to show you the giant trap you set yourself into with "parents" statement, but I'll wait till we get there.
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
How is that nonsense when the 47% of people pay no taxes but rake in all the benefits including police protection?
It's nonsense because not everyone can earn the same amount of income from their labor, but everyone still deserves an equal amount of certain services, like police protection. The alternative would be tantamount to the rich using Pinkertons and Blackwater with the poor getting no police protection, just to use your example of police
Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
How is that nonsense when the 47% of people pay no taxes but rake in all the benefits including police protection?
Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220[/b]
It's nonsense because not everyone can earn the same amount of income from their labor, but everyone still deserves an equal amount of certain services, like police protection. The alternative would be tantamount to the rich using Pinkertons and Blackwater with the poor getting no police protection, just to use your example of police
1 poster mentions taxes...a 2nd poster mentions income. 2 different things, that are losely related in America.
Should gov't services be tied to income earned, or taxes paid? Why?
Has anyone else noticed that Trump and Sanders are lockstep on the $2,000 tax rebates?
They agree that the bottom 99% are being shafted by the top 1% and the system they rigged, & see the larger rebate as a step towards re-balancing.
Yes interesting point, I wonder how the anti-socialists feel about this unison and the payments.
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