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View Poll Results: Which pardon was the most disgusting?
Kushner 11 12.36%
Blackwater killers 61 68.54%
Stone 1 1.12%
Manafort 5 5.62%
Other 11 12.36%
Voters: 89. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-27-2020, 04:32 PM
 
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The Black Water pardons are going to do a lot of damage to our reputation as a democracy, remember we told the Iraqis we wouldn't allow them to try our soldiers and contractors in the SOFA agreement. We would try them in our system and they would be held accountable.

Pretty massive use of force including rockets since no American contractors were killed.
Yea, it seems to be a common theme with many of these contractors.
Gouge the tax payers out of millions of dollars, reap all the benefits, take zero responsibility for anything that goes wrong.
Blame it on Iraqis, blame it on our government, hell blame it on the voters that sent us to war.

But by god, never blame the contractors or profiteers.
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Old 12-27-2020, 04:39 PM
 
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Blackwater Terrorism



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xm6hC2...ature=youtu.be


Wonder how many people became taliban due to **** like this

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Shane Luthy
Most, if not all.

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Big Lez
The more I see things like this the more I can see why someone would want to become one..
if some foreigner came into my country and started murdering innocent people and acting like they own the place I would probably do the same thing.

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BDChupacabra
@Big Lez same it makes me feel like ****. I understand why an entire country would hate us.
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Old 12-27-2020, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Currently in Florida for a little while
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
The Black Water pardons are going to do a lot of damage to our reputation as a democracy, remember we told the Iraqis we wouldn't allow them to try our soldiers and contractors in the SOFA agreement. We would try them in our system and they would be held accountable.

Pretty massive use of force including rockets since no American contractors were killed.

This is really impossible to defend but then I'm not a Trump supporter.
Bush's decision to go into Iraq was what did the damage.
(The entirely cooked up WMD excuse was fabricated up by the CIA, every nation's government pretty much knows about this, they aren't stupid)

The CIA and PNAC zionists had already planned the Iraq invasion before 9/11.

The real culprit in all of this is Israel and their mafia-like influence over our government.
Israel wanted Saddam gone. They also want Assad gone, but that isn't going too well.
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Old 12-27-2020, 04:47 PM
 
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I watched the whole video.
I did not see any wrongdoing whatsoever, except the later clip of the guy yelling at Iraqi citizens, that was inappropriate.

The shots at the cars were aimed at the tires or were just warning shots to get the drivers to stop. Car bombs were numerous during the war and car bombers would often try to get close to military & contractor vehicles to detonate their bombs, this is why military and contractors used aggressive procedures to stop vehicles or get them to move out of the way.

The first clip of the Iraqi walking into traffic and getting hit by a vehicle, although unfortunate, the Iraqi might have had a bomb under his robe. (I'll explain more below)... And the vehicles can't stop to check on him due to the possibility of being ambushed -- the contractors often escorted VIP's between bases and locations in Iraq and cannot stop at any time while having a VIP in their convoy who they are suppose to protect.

Insurgents, often dressed as civilians, would hide explosives and armor piercing grenades under their clothing that they would throw at passing military or contractor vehicles. I remember one incredible video released by one of the insurgent groups that showed Iraqi children throwing armor piercing grenades at passing humvees.

People who know nothing about the Iraq war might watch the video link you posted and think it's horrible, but they have zero context and know absolutely nothing about the kind of assymetrical war that was being fought over there.
Yes, I understand context and already knew all this before you posted it.
But trying explaining context to a dad that just had his son killed by Blackwater.

Lets put this another way so we can see it from their vantage point and not ours.
The US is ruled by a dictator and China comes in to liberate us.
They deploy private contractors to keep the peace in America.

If the Chinese Contractors were doing what we saw in the video, I would join whoever would get the invaders out.

We are invaders, not liberators at that point.
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Old 12-27-2020, 05:00 PM
 
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Which of the recent Trump pardons was the most egregious miscarriage of justice?

I haven't paid much attention to the news lately !!! But it sounds like Trump pardoned Obama & Biden !!! Is that what happened OP ? It sure sounds like it !!!
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Old 12-27-2020, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Currently in Florida for a little while
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Yes, I understand context and already knew all this before you posted it.
But trying explaining context to a dad that just had his son killed by Blackwater.

Lets put this another way so we can see it from their vantage point and not ours.
The US is ruled by a dictator and China comes in to liberate us.
They deploy private contractors to keep the peace in America.

If the Chinese Contractors were doing what we saw in the video, I would join whoever would get the invaders out.

We are invaders, not liberators at that point.

It was a mistake to go into Iraq, obviously.
With a major conventional army trying to fight an urban asymmetrical war against insurgents who disguise themselves as civilians -- it's almost impossible to win the public support to your side without making major sacrifices to your own security. It's a lose/lose situation.
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Old 12-27-2020, 05:05 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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I pretty much oppose all presidential pardons unless there is clear evidence of innocence.

Until one of Trump's pardons results in a murder, Obama has him beat.

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Old 12-27-2020, 05:10 PM
 
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Bush's decision to go into Iraq was what did the damage.
(The entirely cooked up WMD excuse was fabricated up by the CIA, every nation's government pretty much knows about this, they aren't stupid)

The CIA and PNAC zionists had already planned the Iraq invasion before 9/11.

The real culprit in all of this is Israel and their mafia-like influence over our government.
Israel wanted Saddam gone. They also want Assad gone, but that isn't going too well.
See?
Never blame the profiteers or contractors.
Just blame the politicians.
The contractors walk away with a bag of money after committing murder.


You need to study the history of Blackwater and many of their actions and refusals to take any responsibility.
This video I posted is small potatoes.
Also you need to look into the incestuous relationships between these profiteers and politicians where they are rewarding each other and robbing the tax payers.


If I had it my way, I would take all the history, paperwork, political connections and videos, along with Blackwater Members and Politicians and turn them over to the Iraqi Government.


How would you like those apples?
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Old 12-27-2020, 05:11 PM
 
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The Blackwater guys should have been pardoned.
If anyone actually cared to read about the Nisour square incident in depth, then they'd realize that the entire incident was mostly due to the fog of war and mistakes made by the Blackwater guys, the Iraqi police, and the driver of the SUV who ignored police commands to stop.

It was a tragedy, but it wasn't "murder" like depicted in the media.
Thank you! These were good guys in a terrifying situation. They made a terrible mistake but it was done out of fear, not because they were heartless murders. They deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 12-27-2020, 05:14 PM
 
Location: southern california
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None -freed a few political prisoners and a few politicians that stepped on the wrong toes along with a few seals that killed some Afghan big shot’s friend
All pardons are miscarriage of justice by definition
Obama pardoned hundreds of hardened criminals drug dealers that prey on kids
Where is the moral outrage
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