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Old 01-23-2021, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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It's not just racists. There is plenty of other kinds of hate to go around. For example white liberals seem to hate white conservatives and vice versa. We are more divided by political, social and cultural differences than we are by race.
Take racists ( in particular the majority of them - white supremacist types) and everything would look like Mayberry RFD.
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:21 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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When you demonize either side as bad and always wrong, you've automatically dismissed all possible reason for dialogue and civil discussion.
Yeah, except people who hate (obviously) aren't interested in dialogue or intelligent/civil discussion (or even resolution, for that matter); they're simply angry, fearful and/or feel 'less than'.
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Old 01-23-2021, 09:15 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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The problem in America today is that judging people by the content of their character has become labeled hateful or even racist.
This isn't true in the least re: hate, because disliking someone based in their character is not the same as hating people as a whole i.e. 'libs', conservatives, atheists, theists and so on.

Disliking (or being indifferent to) someone you personally know is quite different than hating a group of people (or anyone) relative to stereotypes and (perceived) ideologies. It's also different than feeling the need to 'bash' or 'lash out'.
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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I’ve traveled the world and only in the US do I see so much hate between political parties and even between individual states and people of different ethnicities. Why so? Why do us Americans put so much energy into foaming at the mouth hate?

I believe it may partially be due to US citizen’s mass infatuation with social media and news networks that are more opinion pieces looking for high ratings (aka money) than getting out facts and actual news. This all divides us even more.

Let’s try to have a civil conversation here. No need to rant about the left or right. No need for name calling.

Why is there so much hate in the USA? What is causing it?
You are probably right about the social media and news networks and who knows, we may be looking at a grand example of GROUPTHINK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

A and B. A: I have friends who, I believe, spend all their time on media that is of only one leaning. One hears only what they want to hear. Well, given that, after a while, how would one react when they hear an alternate opinion especially one that has any anger in it?

B: Mom told me this is what happens when people are alone, isolated, and hear nothing else, that they become very one sided or irrational in their opinions.

Myself, even though I don't like the fury of the opinion of some others, I still keep my links to them, for I have learned the hazards of being so submerged. In the 90s, I was very involved in the BI-SEXU-L mailing list. It was wonderful, we were in our own little world, nice to each other, it was nice that the world was like that. Then I get to a wedding, Melissa Etheridge is on the news and my brother and another man are talking about burning her at the stake and I was shocked. I had become so involved in that little world that I forgot that the world doesn't necessarily think like that.

So today I keep my links open to hear other opinions from the rest of the world.

Of course, there is another side of the coin as well ............. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:52 PM
 
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Again...established thoughts about life and society begins in the home, then one continues leaning toward what they have been regularly taught by those being influenced by. Unless, if at some point when still somewhat young, one might be given guidance that could alter their views.
Ever hear of someone becoming 'radicalized'? Some of that could come from the home, most comes from other sources. Colleges for example have filled many heads with thoughts that conservatives, traditions and the first amendment is the wrong way for progressives to live, and attempt to shutdown any conflicting opinion. They have four or more years of indoctrination of what is wrong with America and how they should oppose it. So, they shutdown free speech on their campus, expect trigger warnings of anything which may upset them, have added "I demand" to their vocabulary instead of civil discussion , and carry this altered thinking into mainstream life after leaving college. Some parents hardly recognize these altered views. Today we have "influencers" who proudly admit their goal is change peoples way of thinking. This is done primarily through social media. The only other entities I can think of off the top of my head who greatly alter views are gangs and the military, especially during wartime. Seems thoughts about life and society have been eagerly taken from 'home' by others who now want that responsibility.

No, I am not meaning for this statement to be all inclusive of any sector, but in some circles we have seen the effects.
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Ever hear of someone becoming 'radicalized'? Some of that could come from the home, most comes from other sources. Colleges for example have filled many heads with thoughts that conservatives, traditions and the first amendment is the wrong way for progressives to live, and attempt to shutdown any conflicting opinion. They have four or more years of indoctrination of what is wrong with America and how they should oppose it. So, they shutdown free speech on their campus, expect trigger warnings of anything which may upset them, have added "I demand" to their vocabulary instead of civil discussion , and carry this altered thinking into mainstream life after leaving college. Some parents hardly recognize these altered views. Today we have "influencers" who proudly admit their goal is change peoples way of thinking. This is done primarily through social media. The only other entities I can think of off the top of my head who greatly alter views are gangs and the military, especially during wartime. Seems thoughts about life and society have been eagerly taken from 'home' by others who now want that responsibility.

No, I am not meaning for this statement to be all inclusive of any sector, but in some circles we have seen the effects.
And it goes both ways.

Being in ROTC during the 80s, we were of the mind set to sink hospital ships. Kill a Soviet on a destroyer or kill a wounded Soviet on a hospital ship, a dead Soviet is a dead Soviet..........................

.....................................until I learned the folly of that "tactic" because POWs can be transported on hospital ships, too!
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Old 01-23-2021, 11:00 PM
 
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Take racists ( in particular the majority of them - white supremacist types) and everything would look like Mayberry RFD.
So, if we eliminated all racists, the white community would have no problems among themselves?
The black community would have no problems among themselves?
Or any other community would have no problems among themselves?
Interesting.
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Old 01-23-2021, 11:11 PM
 
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And it goes both ways.

Being in ROTC during the 80s, we were of the mind set to sink hospital ships. Kill a Soviet on a destroyer or kill a wounded Soviet on a hospital ship, a dead Soviet is a dead Soviet..........................

.....................................until I learned the folly of that "tactic" because POWs can be transported on hospital ships, too!
Attacking hospital ships was a war crime.
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Old 01-23-2021, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Attacking hospital ships was a war crime.
NO KIDDING!

It was a simulation and in trying to sink the escort destroyer, we accidently hit the hospital ship.....and then the destroyer got us!

It was our 3rd torpedo run. The first missed, the second was killed when the hospital ship got in the way, and the third was as said. In the end analysis, it was shown that had we not killed the 2nd torpedo, the hit hospital ship would had left us clear to take out the destroyer.........

.........and to all of us ROTC types in the Reagan era, that was fine with us for a dead Soviet............and who cared about the civilian rules?
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Old 01-24-2021, 06:36 AM
 
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Take racists ( in particular the majority of them - white supremacist types) and everything would look like Mayberry RFD.
Let them have their own area then. They can't dictate what the rest of the U.S. should be like. One thing about the fictitious Mayberry is there was a lot more harmony there and it reflected a lot better values than we have today.
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