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For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3
It's why I left the ELCA Lutheran church for an Evangelical nondenominational church decades ago.
Ah, nothing like that good ole Christian love and acceptance of others.
Christian love an acceptance doesn't mean looking the other way when the Gospel is compromised as it is in many of the mainstream protestant churches now. Many of them have become more of a social club conforming to the current trends of the dominant culture and the Gospel of Christ gets lost in the mix. I speak from personal experience.
The term is not in the Constitution. However, it does say there shall be no establishment of a religion in our country. That means people are free to worship Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Satan or whoever they want. Or not. Christianity is not a threat except where it forces itself on others. Nobody cares if you're a Christian. The problem comes in if you think everybody else needs to be. So you need to show me where in the Constitution people need to identify as Christians.
Many of the founders were of other beliefs besides Christianity. Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe were deists. Deism is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems. Sadly, we don't have enough deists, it appears.
In God We Trust appeared on money in 1956. It's not always been all over the place. One nation under God in the pledge of allegiance was added in 1954.
This was really a politicized message more than a spiritual one anyway. Somehow people managed to worship and have religious freedom just fine before the 1950's too. I think politicizing a message of faith is disrespectful to the message.
Christian love an acceptance doesn't mean looking the other way when the Gospel is compromised as it is in many of the mainstream protestant churches now. Many of them have become more of a social club conforming to the current trends of the dominant culture and the Gospel of Christ gets lost in the mix. I speak from personal experience.
The gospel is compromised when those in power don't take care of the weak, vulnerable and less fortunate. Jesus would probably have been labeled a socialist or liberal because he was all about that. If people actually promoted that type of care of its citizens, all its citizens, then maybe Christian nationalism wouldn't be a bad thing. As it is, what I see that passes as Christian nationalism today does anything but protect those types of people. We need laws that protect everyone, not just certain segments of society that some say are worthy of protection while disenfranchising other segments of the population.
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For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3
Which could just as easily apply to fundamentalist churches.
White Christians are more and have been under attack for a decade or two.
Pandemic is a perfect example. Shutting down churches while liquor stores, pot shops, and abortion clinics are open.
Yeah, even handed treatment, for sure.
Churches pack a lot of people next to each other.
When does that happen in a Liquor store, pot shops or abortion clinics?
As far as I know Churches here aren't shut down and are practicing social distancing in addition to wearing masks.
But you know the Victimhood persecution mentality is one of the crutches of Religion whether it's a response to a Pandemic or having to bake a cake for a Gay couple.
Show me exactly where in the constitution it says that there must be separation of church and state. Tell me exactly how a christian religion is a national threat to the US.
Tell me how a religious people who wrote the constitution would want to keep religion out of the govt to the point of having nothing religious allowed in the govt. Tell me why In God we trust is all over the place if the founders didn't believe that a religious person should be banned from working in the govt.
The only threat to the national security is you Godless leftists. Believing in a God is a threat to forcing a people to believe that the govt is a replacement for God.
The first clause in the Bill of Rights states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Franklin was an atheist; Washington was a deist, Madison recognized the social use of religion, Jefferson - who was not at the Convention - had his own personal Bible that he wrote omitting miracles and the divinity of Jesus and on and on it goes. They learned from the English Civil War, a religious war, what could happen when G-d was brought into the mix and hence the Almighty is not mentioned in the Constitution.
Being religious doesn't make someone a good person as Madison well knew. Read his Memorial and Remonstrance which lays out 15 arguments against government support of churches. Madison knew and stressed that religion was a matter of individual conscience and could not be directed by the government in any way.
The threat to religion comes not from those who say they are atheist, but from those who say they are G-d fearing and then do the opposite without a hint of remorse. Perhaps the most egregious are the religious leaders who claim the moral high ground while engaging in sexual escapades and financial fraud.
Show me exactly where in the constitution it says that there must be separation of church and state. Tell me exactly how a christian religion is a national threat to the US.
Tell me how a religious people who wrote the constitution would want to keep religion out of the govt to the point of having nothing religious allowed in the govt. Tell me why In God we trust is all over the place if the founders didn't believe that a religious person should be banned from working in the govt.
The only threat to the national security is you Godless leftists. Believing in a God is a threat to forcing a people to believe that the govt is a replacement for God.
Your thread title indicates "Christian Nationalists", but the text in your post seems to suggest "real" Christians are under threat. I guess you should start by saying which it is, because these white nationalist types are not Christian by anything other than they gave themselves.
I agree with other posters. The radical right has gotten really comfy with playing the victim card for anything (and it works on their base).
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