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People - why so belligerent about this? It's ok to give it 10 seconds of critical thought, and to relax a little. 2020 is almost gone. Assuming you aren't wearing a foil hat - and so you believe the numbers are roughly true - here's something very simple:
1. Most folks are contagious for 10 days or so. Maybe less.
2. Average (USA) for last 15 days is 170,000 new cases per day.
3. Logically, then, on average - we have 1,700,000 contagious people right now.
4. In one day - that 1,700,000 people will find just 170,000 more to give it to. A ten-to-one margin.
You find this a "frightening" rate? It's frightening numbers - yes - but rate? No. We're talking about half a percent of the nation sick at once - and they are finding a tenth of THAT to give it to. Now - it's - at the moment, at least - CDC policy that a person is QUITE contagious in the 48 hours BEFORE they show symptoms. Not my opinion. That's how it is.
Use some thought here - two people in a room, both have covid, but one doesn't have symptoms...yet...one is coughing and feverish, the other is just fine. Which is more likely to stand in a tight group of folks for longer? Right.
Smart people move away from an obviously sick individual right now. His boss sends him home. Etc.
It means PRE_symptomatic people are almost certainly responsible for much of the spread - not the other way around.
It means ASYMPTOMATIC people - as China said - are responsible for nearly none of the spread.
And people with symptoms are somewhere in between, but mainly give it to their family and their caregivers (doctors).
How do we know people don't just keep spreading it all week long? Because of the 10 to 1. After the first day or two - their symptoms show up - and the spread drops - because that sick person stays home / leaves work / whatever.
It makes complete sense, as it has for 8 months now. No mystery at all. Just give it some thought.
Why don't MORE "pre-symptomatic" people give it away? Easy. Most of them are wearing masks. A few aren't. About 1 in 10, I'd say. If you think masks and distance don't work - then you'll have to explain why the rate is "just" 10 to 1. We already saw (in February) that - given an opportunity - the rate will be 20 or 30 times that. What's your explanation for the decline - if this simple logic won't work for you? You may think masks don't work - but unless 100% of people wore them 100% of the time - you have not data - because the spread itself only affects 0.1% of the people. Lots of room for masks to work - and still have the spread we see. It's just math. Get a calculator and do it.
Meantime - less than 1 in 100 people are contagious right now - so no reason to be crazy paranoid. Unfortunately, that is enough to overwhelm some hospitals, at the local level. So - just "living life" ain't gonna work.
Daily deaths exceed those of cancer or heart disease right now. It's the #1 Killer. Your choices are Accept it and Live Life, or Accept Your Retirement Plan is in the Crapper - and Let Someone ELSE Live Life. Choose wisely. One in 10 deaths today will be COVID. How high do you need it to get before you'd give your money away to stop it? Many of you would choose "never." That's sad.
If it comes from the CCP machine, you either gotta discount/ignore or accept it all.
I mean, some people believe the #1 most populous country is #80 is total infections.
and #186th in per capita deaths, even with no known drug treatment for at least the first 90 days it was exploding in their country.
some even lay blame on Trump, not the CCP, for the virus spreading in the US and world.
that's because we've been brainwashed by decades of US propaganda to disbelieve everything that comes from china.
meanwhile, they have been infiltrating global media corporations with CIA. https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...pt-regime.html
so we've been buying US propaganda that everything else is propaganda.
that's because we've been brainwashed by decades of US propaganda to disbelieve everything that comes from china.
meanwhile, they have been infiltrating global media corporations with CIA. https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...pt-regime.html
so we've been buying US propaganda that everything else is propaganda.
China by no means are a good actor. But to say that they are infiltrating America while saying Russian infiltration is a hoax is just plain ignorant. Clearly both are and are doing it under the radar. China just has the in by being a far bigger business market than the former USSR.
China by no means are a good actor. But to say that they are infiltrating America while saying Russian infiltration is a hoax is just plain ignorant. Clearly both are and are doing it under the radar. China just has the in by being a far bigger business market than the former USSR.
I take all news about our "enemies", whether it's iran, china, russia, etc. with a dump truck load of salt.
our govt uses the media to influence public opinion and divide us, whether it's left vs right, white vs black, china/russia vs US.
Governors used CDC lies to justify lockdowns. Now we see that they were totally unnecessary. The evil lockdowns implemented all over our country by power-hungry governors will cause suffering for many years.
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WUHAN, China, December 23, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – A study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan, China, found that asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 did not occur at all, thus undermining the need for lockdowns, which are built on the premise of the virus being unwittingly spread by infectious, asymptomatic people.
People - why so belligerent about this? It's ok to give it 10 seconds of critical thought, and to relax a little. 2020 is almost gone. Assuming you aren't wearing a foil hat - and so you believe the numbers are roughly true - here's something very simple:
1. Most folks are contagious for 10 days or so. Maybe less.
2. Average (USA) for last 15 days is 170,000 new cases per day.
3. Logically, then, on average - we have 1,700,000 contagious people right now.
4. In one day - that 1,700,000 people will find just 170,000 more to give it to. A ten-to-one margin.
You find this a "frightening" rate? It's frightening numbers - yes - but rate? No. We're talking about half a percent of the nation sick at once - and they are finding a tenth of THAT to give it to. Now - it's - at the moment, at least - CDC policy that a person is QUITE contagious in the 48 hours BEFORE they show symptoms. Not my opinion. That's how it is.
Use some thought here - two people in a room, both have covid, but one doesn't have symptoms...yet...one is coughing and feverish, the other is just fine. Which is more likely to stand in a tight group of folks for longer? Right.
Smart people move away from an obviously sick individual right now. His boss sends him home. Etc.
It means PRE_symptomatic people are almost certainly responsible for much of the spread - not the other way around.
It means ASYMPTOMATIC people - as China said - are responsible for nearly none of the spread.
And people with symptoms are somewhere in between, but mainly give it to their family and their caregivers (doctors).
How do we know people don't just keep spreading it all week long? Because of the 10 to 1. After the first day or two - their symptoms show up - and the spread drops - because that sick person stays home / leaves work / whatever.
It makes complete sense, as it has for 8 months now. No mystery at all. Just give it some thought.
Why don't MORE "pre-symptomatic" people give it away? Easy. Most of them are wearing masks. A few aren't. About 1 in 10, I'd say. If you think masks and distance don't work - then you'll have to explain why the rate is "just" 10 to 1. We already saw (in February) that - given an opportunity - the rate will be 20 or 30 times that. What's your explanation for the decline - if this simple logic won't work for you? You may think masks don't work - but unless 100% of people wore them 100% of the time - you have not data - because the spread itself only affects 0.1% of the people. Lots of room for masks to work - and still have the spread we see. It's just math. Get a calculator and do it.
Meantime - less than 1 in 100 people are contagious right now - so no reason to be crazy paranoid. Unfortunately, that is enough to overwhelm some hospitals, at the local level. So - just "living life" ain't gonna work.
Daily deaths exceed those of cancer or heart disease right now. It's the #1 Killer. Your choices are Accept it and Live Life, or Accept Your Retirement Plan is in the Crapper - and Let Someone ELSE Live Life. Choose wisely. One in 10 deaths today will be COVID. How high do you need it to get before you'd give your money away to stop it? Many of you would choose "never." That's sad.
Excellent stuff there!
I think the crux is that being and remaining asymptomatic is a retrospective assessment.
The problem is that no one can know in real time that they might be pre-symptomatic and not remain asymptomatic.
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