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Old 12-29-2020, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The governor of Vermont is a Republican, not a Democrat. Vermont is "Republican-run," not "Democrat-run" and your thread title is a lie.

Deal with it.
The governor is not the exclusive person running the state. The state legislature, which is controlled by democrats, has half the power in running the state.

Coupled with a moderate-to-liberal republican governor, the state is run by liberals. Deal with it. I know it bothers you that a state run by liberals can have such great COVID numbers, but again, you'll just have to deal with it.
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Old 12-29-2020, 04:55 PM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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So is that why New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Connecticut are 4 of the top 5 in the country in deaths per million?

Is their definition of greater good to kill off the elderly to get rid of the surplus population?

Really. You people are so easy.
And your views are so narrow minded, does it irk you that the states coping the best are all liberal which is what discussion is about.

But no you have to gaslight whatever statistic supports your point of view because others had to deal with this first, had to make the decisions first, made the mistakes first and because of what they learned others should have been able to do better. But they haven't and now case numbers and full hospitals are choking the rest of the country and all you can do is well they have less deaths....

Worry more about people having to be treated in parking lots and hallways instead of the lessons learned the hard way. If a baseline plan had been provided at the federal level a uniform baseline would be in place with each state building off that minimum standard.
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:03 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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The governor is not the exclusive person running the state. The state legislature, which is controlled by democrats, has half the power in running the state.

Coupled with a moderate-to-liberal republican governor, the state is run by liberals. Deal with it. I know it bothers you that a state run by liberals can have such great COVID numbers, but again, you'll just have to deal with it.
Wrong as usual. The Republican governor ordered the lockdown and other COVID-19 measures. Not the state legislature. Just keep digging yourself in deeper.

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Effective Saturday at 10 p.m., Gov. Phil Scott has imposed a moratorium on virtually all social gatherings in Vermont. The move comes after an unprecedented spike in COVID-19 cases this week, which Scott says has ushered in a “new phase of this pandemic.”

Scott issued the executive order Friday, and it prohibits any social gatherings, whether indoors or outdoors, that involve people from different households.

Scott also ordered the closure of all bars and clubs in Vermont for in-person service, effective Saturday night. Restaurants will have to abide by a 10 p.m. curfew for in-person dining.
Link: https://www.vpr.org/post/scott-order...spike#stream/0
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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So is that why New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Connecticut are 4 of the top 5 in the country in deaths per million?

Is their definition of greater good to kill off the elderly to get rid of the surplus population?

Really. You people are so easy.
Wrong! The top 5 states in the death rate are:

New Mexico
Wyoming
Arkansas
Pennsylvania
Illinois

Source is the same as in my OP. Click on: View --> Deaths just above the left side of the map.

The worst one on your list is Connecticut, which is ranked 14th.
New York is ranked 16th.
Massachusetts is 17th.
New Jersey is 25th.
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Wrong as usual. The Republican governor ordered the lockdown and other COVID-19 measures.
So you just admitted the governor is a liberal. The measures you just described are all the draconian kinds of things the conservatives on this forum have been ranting about most of the year.

Thank you for acknowledging my point.
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:09 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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So you just admitted the governor is a liberal. The measures you just described are all the kinds of things the conservatives on this forum have been ranting about most of the year.

Thank you for acknowledging my point.
Your thread title doesn't say liberal. It says Democrat. Clearly you don't understand the difference between those two words. One is a hate-filled ideology and the other is a hate-filled party with a long history of racism and bigotry.

If you had said "liberal-run Vermont" I wouldn't be calling you out. You didn't do that. You decided to say "Democrat-run Vermont," which is a lie.

And we all know your thread title was just a very poor job of trolling. You were trying to mock/counter/troll this thread: https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...er-winter.html

Problem is you failed miserably because my thread title is not a lie while yours is. You should have picked a state that actually is "Democrat-run," which Vermont ISN'T.
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Your thread title doesn't say liberal....
If I had titled this thread, "Liberal Vermont is Now the Nadir of the Winter Surge of COVID Cases in the US," my point would be exactly the same it is now, but people like you would be here trying to claim that Vermont was really a conservative state just because their governor is a republican.

So your attempt to attack this thread just because of its title isn't going to work.

The governor of Vermont is a liberal, even if he is a republican. And you have just claimed above that those liberal measures are the reason why Vermont's cases are so low.
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
The governor is not the exclusive person running the state. The state legislature, which is controlled by democrats, has half the power in running the state.

Coupled with a moderate-to-liberal republican governor, the state is run by liberals. Deal with it. I know it bothers you that a state run by liberals can have such great COVID numbers, but again, you'll just have to deal with it.
So when do they plan to lift restrictions?
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Old 12-29-2020, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So is that why New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Connecticut are 4 of the top 5 in the country in deaths per million?

Is their definition of greater good to kill off the elderly to get rid of the surplus population?

Really. You people are so easy.
The average killed in nursing homes nationwide is 40%, same as the states that were hit with the virus early on but they had ability to plan, that was a luxury compared to the east coast.

Listed in order as of today:

Top states in deaths per million

NY
NJ
Mass
North Dakota
Conn
Rhode Island
South Dakota

Total Case per million

North Dakota
South Dakota
Iowa
Nebraska
Utah
Tennessee
Rhode Island



The Dakotas right behind the heavily populated east coast states putting up these numbers with their density, impossible to defend. The high rate in NY, MA, RI, CT, NJ is largely due to being hit with the first wave in March, these other states had the ability to plan but of course they said they were different and didn't need to worry. So what is the excuse for these states in the middle of no where that had 7 months to prepare.

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Old 12-29-2020, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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People are using outdated death rates. I've listed them below:
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
Wrong! The top 5 states in the death rate are:

New Mexico
Wyoming
Arkansas
Pennsylvania
Illinois

Source is the same as in my OP. Click on: View --> Deaths just above the left side of the map.

The worst one on your list is Connecticut, which is ranked 14th.
New York is ranked 16th.
Massachusetts is 17th.
New Jersey is 25th.
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