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Old 01-02-2021, 01:44 AM
 
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....is that the house can waste time and effort trying to impeach the president. It seems to be the opposition's past time over the centuries.

America should scrap impeachment and replace it with vote of no confidence, so the party can decide whether it wants to change it's leader. So if the president is Democrat, then it's up to the Democrats to decide and vice versa. In a way, party politics.
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Old 01-02-2021, 02:18 AM
 
Location: NYC
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So you mean we should have a Parliamentary system of government? Sure. Do you think we have the votes to pass such a drastic change?
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Old 01-02-2021, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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They shouldn't be spending their entire term in office trying to raise money for their next election. If that's how politics works we should have a single 6 year term with a lifetime term limit in office of one.

Also state legislatures shouldn't end their sessions for the year in September and not meet up again for months ...what's up with that? If they get paid decent money they need to be working. Our government is corrupt and inefficient. I'm starting to respect European nations much more lately. We have good checks and balances but poor fiscal management and too much corruption right down to the local level sometimes...city officials giving themselves rediculous pensions. All pensions for public employees should be rescinded.

My father has one living across the street...its rediculous what he gets and he boasts about it also.

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Old 01-02-2021, 03:53 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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....is that the house can waste time and effort trying to impeach the president. It seems to be the opposition's past time over the centuries.
Why do you hate democracy?


"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule — and both commonly succeed, and are right... The United States has never developed an aristocracy really disinterested or an intelligentsia really intelligent. Its history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds." - H.L. Mencken
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Old 01-02-2021, 04:38 AM
 
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They shouldn't be spending their entire term in office trying to raise money for their next election. If that's how politics works we should have a single 6 year term with a lifetime term limit in office of one.

Also state legislatures shouldn't end their sessions for the year in September and not meet up again for months ...what's up with that? If they get paid decent money they need to be working. Our government is corrupt and inefficient. I'm starting to respect European nations much more lately. We have good checks and balances but poor fiscal management and too much corruption right down to the local level sometimes...city officials giving themselves rediculous pensions. All pensions for public employees should be rescinded.

My father has one living across the street...its rediculous what he gets and he boasts about it also.
Term limits put the knowledge and expertise of running the govt. in the hands of the bureaucracy and lobbyists.

Some state legislatures do meet for short periods of time. Virginia's meets for 60 days in alternate years, the other year its 45 days. The governor can only serve one consecutive term. There are some good points to this and some down sides. With the legislature in session for such a short period of time, he is subject to less oversight and doesn't have to worry about re-election. Virginia for this reason and others (that would be another thread*) VA is considered a "strong governor" state compared to CO for example where the power rests in the legislature. In CO, for example, the governor sends a wish list of spending, but doesn't even send a budget, that is done by a joint Senate / House committee.

*(The VA budget process with a single four year term for governor means that the incoming governor for his first year, 25% of his term, is operating under the budget of his predecessor and the previous General Assembly; those may not be his priorities. The short sessions of the VA General Assembly places more power in the governor since at the end they are racing to get bills passed and if he vetos them, they aren't around to override the veto. With the line item veto and the ability to propose amendments, subject to legislative approval, the governor by other state standards actually gets involved in the gritty legislative process. http://www.virginiaplaces.org/government/veto.html)

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Old 01-02-2021, 05:47 AM
 
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Why do you hate democracy?


"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule — and both commonly succeed, and are right... The United States has never developed an aristocracy really disinterested or an intelligentsia really intelligent. Its history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds." - H.L. Mencken
I don't hate people having the right to vote, unless you can point out where I have said so.
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Old 01-02-2021, 05:54 AM
 
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They shouldn't be spending their entire term in office trying to raise money for their next election. If that's how politics works we should have a single 6 year term with a lifetime term limit in office of one.

Also state legislatures shouldn't end their sessions for the year in September and not meet up again for months ...what's up with that? If they get paid decent money they need to be working. Our government is corrupt and inefficient. I'm starting to respect European nations much more lately. We have good checks and balances but poor fiscal management and too much corruption right down to the local level sometimes...city officials giving themselves rediculous pensions. All pensions for public employees should be rescinded.

My father has one living across the street...its rediculous what he gets and he boasts about it also.
It's just that presidency upon presidency, it seems the purpose of the opposition is to unseat the president, always seems to be their goal. Not only governments, but local councils in the UK are no longer value for money either. Of late, America should consider having an upper age limit, you're swamped with so many geriatrics.

Governments should by law, work in a surplus and not in a deficit. Pensions in the public sector should be no better than the average private sector pensions.
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Old 01-02-2021, 05:57 AM
 
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....is that the house can waste time and effort trying to impeach the president. It seems to be the opposition's past time over the centuries.

America should scrap impeachment and replace it with vote of no confidence, so the party can decide whether it wants to change it's leader. So if the president is Democrat, then it's up to the Democrats to decide and vice versa. In a way, party politics.
They didn’t waste time trying.

He was impeached.
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Old 01-02-2021, 06:19 AM
 
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It's just that presidency upon presidency, it seems the purpose of the opposition is to unseat the president, always seems to be their goal. Not only governments, but local councils in the UK are no longer value for money either. Of late, America should consider having an upper age limit, you're swamped with so many geriatrics.

Governments should by law, work in a surplus and not in a deficit. Pensions in the public sector should be no better than the average private sector pensions.
A Prime Minister in the UK does not have the same powers as a President and is not the Head of State or the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, as that is the Monarch's role.

The UK system, is one where the Prime Minister is first among equals in terms of the Cabinet, and Cabinet and Government are subject ti Parliamentary scrutiny.

There are two ways to bring down a Prime Minister in the UK, the first is a vote of no confidence in the Government by Parliament, however this is rare as the Prime Minister generally has a majority of MP's in the Commons.

The Second is for the MP's to call for a change of leadership, in relation to the Conservative Party this is done by at least 15% of Conservative MP's writing letters to the Conservative 1922 Committee.

Whilst in relation to the main opposition Labour Party, they have the National Executive Committee and if 20% of Labour MPs nominate a willing candidate to stand against the leader, a leadership contest is triggered.

It is therefore far easier for a political parties backbench MP's to rid themselves of an unpopular or untrustworthy leader (including a Prime Minister) in the UK, however in terms of a vote of no confidence in a Government that is extremely difficult when the Government has a majority of MP's in the House of Commons.
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Old 01-02-2021, 06:33 AM
 
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A Prime Minister in the UK does not have the same powers as a President and is not the Head of State or the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, as that is the Monarch's role.

The UK system, is one where the Prime Minister is first among equals in terms of the Cabinet, and Cabinet and Government are subject ti Parliamentary scrutiny.

There are two ways to bring down a Prime Minister in the UK, the first is a vote of no confidence in the Government by Parliament, however this is rare as the Prime Minister generally has a majority of MP's in the Commons.

The Second is for the MP's to call for a change of leadership, in relation to the Conservative Party this is done by at least 15% of Conservative MP's writing letters to the Conservative 1922 Committee.

Whilst in relation to the main opposition Labour Party, they have the National Executive Committee and if 20% of Labour MPs nominate a willing candidate to stand against the leader, a leadership contest is triggered.

It is therefore far easier for a political parties backbench MP's to rid themselves of an unpopular or untrustworthy leader (including a Prime Minister) in the UK, however in terms of a vote of no confidence in a Government that is extremely difficult when the Government has a majority of MP's in the House of Commons.
So, in essence, what seems to be the best of all worlds is a minority government, where co-operation becomes the byword if all parties want any progress to happen without having one unnecessary election after another being their foreseeable future.
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