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Old 01-04-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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Not as rich as you voluntarily voting to force other people to pay for your expenses!
(That comprehension problem you have rearing it's deflection head again.)

Yet you endorse and are probably routinely accessing any number of such systems arrived at via voting in your own country.

How unsurprisingly hypocritical of you.
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Old 01-04-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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Default Canadian Medical tourism increasing numbers

Despite the excellent medical services provided by the Canadian government (based on the foregoing comments), an increasing number of Canadians are traveling to other countries for medical assistance and procedures. [Note: pre-pandemic analysis].

"A 2017 study from the Fraser Institute shows that 2016 marked a sharp increase in Canadians leaving the country for medical care. In 2015, nearly 46,000 Canadians were medical tourists, whereas in 2016, this number increased to nearly 64,000. Since the think-tank’s study began in 2014, the number of Canadian medical tourists has been increasing steadily. This increase has raised ethical questions — not only concerning Canadians travelling abroad, but also surrounding the potential impacts on destination countries and the Canadian health-care system.

Bacchus Barau, the associate director of health policy studies at the Fraser Institute, explains that one of the major reasons Canadians might seek treatment abroad is long wait times in the Canadian health care system. Barau notes that wait times vary within the country, with Nova Scotia and New Brunswick being some of the worst provinces to wait, and Quebec and Ontario being some of the best. According to Ontario’s Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care, [...] the average patient waited 63 days between being referred and their first surgical appointment.
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https://cusjc.ca/catalyst/project/me...-abroad-draft/

Medical tourism is another reason for snowbirds.

"Although Canadian snowbirds are not often travelling for the sole purpose of receiving treatment, many have chosen to have medical and dental procedures - or even just tests and scans - while they are away for the winter.

This is usually done to jump the long queue they would otherwise have faced in Canada or to access treatments that aren’t available at home. And in the case of extensive dental work or elective surgery not covered by provincial health plans, it can often be cheaper in other countries.

In addition, Canadians frequently cross the border to have MRIs or other tests done because they can take weeks or months to get in Canada. Snowbirds, however, often get these tests done in their winter destinations for convenience.

In some cases, snowbirds will travel to another country for the sole purpose of having a procedure or operation done.

For snowbirds, the U.S., Mexico, Costa Rica,and other central and south American countries are the most likely destinations for medical tourism.

Many Canadian snowbirds who winter in the U.S. will seek treatment there because they can get things done much faster than in Canada."


https://www.snowbirdadvisor.ca/snowb...edical-tourism
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Old 01-04-2021, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Despite the excellent medical services provided by the Canadian government (based on the foregoing comments), an increasing number of Canadians are traveling to other countries for medical assistance and procedures. [Note: pre-pandemic analysis].

"A 2017 study from the Fraser Institute shows that 2016 marked a sharp increase in Canadians leaving the country for medical care. In 2015, nearly 46,000 Canadians were medical tourists, whereas in 2016, this number increased to nearly 64,000. Since the think-tank’s study began in 2014, the number of Canadian medical tourists has been increasing steadily. This increase has raised ethical questions — not only concerning Canadians travelling abroad, but also surrounding the potential impacts on destination countries and the Canadian health-care system.

Bacchus Barau, the associate director of health policy studies at the Fraser Institute, explains that one of the major reasons Canadians might seek treatment abroad is long wait times in the Canadian health care system. Barau notes that wait times vary within the country, with Nova Scotia and New Brunswick being some of the worst provinces to wait, and Quebec and Ontario being some of the best. According to Ontario’s Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care, the average Ontario patient stayed in emergency for 5.3 hours in January 2018. The average patient waited 63 days between being referred and their first surgical appointment.
"

https://cusjc.ca/catalyst/project/me...-abroad-draft/

Medical tourism is another reason for snowbirds.

"Although Canadian snowbirds are not often travelling for the sole purpose of receiving treatment, many have chosen to have medical and dental procedures - or even just tests and scans - while they are away for the winter.

This is usually done to jump the long queue they would otherwise have faced in Canada or to access treatments that aren’t available at home. And in the case of extensive dental work or elective surgery not covered by provincial health plans, it can often be cheaper in other countries.
In addition, Canadians frequently cross the border to have MRIs or other tests done because they can take weeks or months to get in Canada. Snowbirds, however, often get these tests done in their winter destinations for convenience.

In some cases, snowbirds will travel to another country for the sole purpose of having a procedure or operation done.

For snowbirds, the U.S., Mexico, Costa Rica,and other central and south American countries are the most likely destinations for medical tourism.

Many Canadian snowbirds who winter in the U.S. will seek treatment there because they can get things done much faster than in Canada."


https://www.snowbirdadvisor.ca/snowb...edical-tourism
Oh you’ve done it now! You’ve committed the grand act of quoting Fraser Institute!

Sit back and watch as Canadian after Canadian arrives to tell you what a worthless conservative think tank Fraser Institute is. Even more than Americans talking crap about Canadian healthcare, Canadians cannot tolerate OTHER Canadians talking crap about Canadian healthcare. Even experts. It’s pathologically silly but true.
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Old 01-04-2021, 12:31 PM
 
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It means nothing, no one can touch it
Tell that to Trans Canada Pipleline LOL
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Old 01-04-2021, 12:47 PM
 
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(That comprehension problem you have rearing it's deflection head again.)

Yet you endorse and are probably routinely accessing any number of such systems arrived at via voting in your own country.

How unsurprisingly hypocritical of you.
I don’t endorse any slavery system.

Why can’t I access a system? I pay more income and property taxes than the vast majority of the Americans. If those who don’t pay taxes can suckle on my tax dollars, I am more entitled to the service than them.

But it doesn’t mean I endorse it. I would rather nobody is forced to pay.

Any hypocrisy is better than you voluntarily voting to force other people to pay for your expenses!
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Old 01-04-2021, 01:36 PM
 
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Right but those under US care live longer than those under your glamorous Canadian health care paid by slavery.

Accept that fact that your system sucks. If you kill those people sooner, of course your life expectancy will go up and your cost will be lower.




You may want to rephrase the bold, as it would never get a passing grade in Logic 101
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Old 01-04-2021, 01:40 PM
 
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You may want to rephrase the bold, as it would never get a passing grade in Logic 101


Go back and try again.
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Old 01-04-2021, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Nobody disparages Canadians here. Well, I do ... a little bit. But generally, nobody disparages Canadians. We may push back on Canadian style healthcare, but nobody is saying rude things about Canadians here.

Your fragile national self-esteem prevents you from realizing that healthcare is an inanimate object. You spend thousands of minutes and words defending an inanimate object. That’s on you. And healthcare is just your opening song. From there you could spend an entire day criticizing America, and in fact you do ... regularly.

But God forbid someone mention Canadian healthcare. Ole Two Guns BruSan shall arrive to fight you to the death if you do!
You should pay attention more.

This is just one of the latest examples by Pilot1. Unless you think this is a compliment?

"You're dealing with Nanny State, bed wetters, afraid of their own shadow that believe everything the Communist Propaganda MEDIA tells them. "

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...thering-5.html
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Old 01-04-2021, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Oh you’ve done it now! You’ve committed the grand act of quoting Fraser Institute!

Sit back and watch as Canadian after Canadian arrives to tell you what a worthless conservative think tank Fraser Institute is. Even more than Americans talking crap about Canadian healthcare, Canadians cannot tolerate OTHER Canadians talking crap about Canadian healthcare. Even experts. It’s pathologically silly but true.
Canadians take serious critiques on our healthcare by entities that do not have an agenda. Fraser Institute has an agenda. It is clear from their stance on pubic education, to public healthcare.

There methodology has been analyzed and questioned on many of their talking point as being faulty.

That is why no thinking Canadian takes them seriously and will continue to call them out when citied as a legitimate source.

It's really as simple as that.
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Old 01-04-2021, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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You should pay attention more.

This is just one of the latest examples by Pilot1. Unless you think this is a compliment?

"You're dealing with Nanny State, bed wetters, afraid of their own shadow that believe everything the Communist Propaganda MEDIA tells them. "

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...thering-5.html
Oh dear!!! An American offered their opinion of Canada, and it’s NOT FAVORABLE!

Assemble Team Canada, and let us respond with fury to these words spoken by an American!

Toot toot toot TOOT!

Seriously though: get over yourself. There are a handful of you Canadians who park at this board and make free to criticize America and Americans on a very regular basis. I’m not sure why you are so convinced that your poo is scented differently, and luxuriously, but it isn’t.
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