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Old 01-04-2021, 08:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by legalsea View Post

One problem is this:
"Many states that have tight gun laws are surrounded by states that do not have strict gun laws. As a result, guns are often brought in from neighboring states".
And by doing so, many laws are being broken. Thanks again for proving criminals don't follow laws.

 
Old 01-04-2021, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yet, every firearms dealer in Wisconsin and Indiana follow the Federal laws. Every SINGLE One. There is not much that can be done about straw purchases. Every one was a legal purchase with a back ground check.
Same deal in suburban Chicago.

There is no limit on the number of firearms one can acquire. No shortage of straw purchasers- people who have a history of firearm purchases that seem to have go missing.

No shortage of instances of convicts released on parole who acquire a firearm within hours of release.

FBI has been in Chicago for years, tracing recovered firearms. The super majority of recovered firearms were originally sourced from federally licensed dealers in suburban Chicago including nearby Gary, Hammond and Griffith, Indiana. One suburban shop in particular, is the original source of 10% of all recovered firearms.

It is reasonable to assume most people who live in the most dangerous neighborhoods are armed, legal and otherwise.

A few years back, a 14 year old girl opened fire on a porch full of people. The backstory is a kid posted something nasty about her on FB. Her uncle, convicted felon, recently released on parole, had acquired a firearm and gave it to his 14 year old niece to seek revenge for disrespect. Had she had access to a car, she like would have done the drive by thing.

So many, too many, shootings are a result of someone perceiving they have been disrespected, usually on social media. The family of the disrespected is often viewed as fair game.
 
Old 01-04-2021, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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Defund the police. That should solve everything. You can murder someone and it's like it never happened lol!
 
Old 01-04-2021, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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And by doing so, many laws are being broken. Thanks again for proving criminals don't follow laws.
One can legally purchase a firearm in a suburb, barely one mile from Chicago.

So long as ownership is registered and permitted, it is lawful to possess and conceal carry in Chicago.

Again, it is reasonable to assume most who live in the most dangerous neighborhoods are carrying, legal or otherwise.

It is not possible to defend yourself and family when someone in intent on shooting you or one of your family members. Turn your back and you get shot. Sit in your living room, watching TV and you might be a victim.
Drive to the gas station to fill your tank, and the shots may come from behind or the street. Let your kid outside to play on the front steps, the kid is vulnerable.

Nothing short of one on one policing, 24/7, can prevent this. Cops can be at one end of the block while someone is being executed at the other end of the block.

The greatest exodus within the city is happening in the most dangerous communities. It has elements of a reversal of the great migration.
 
Old 01-04-2021, 08:55 AM
 
Location: NC
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Doesnt Chicago have the strictest gun regulations in the nation. To the libs out there. I thought according to you that strict gun laws would curb gun violence. So why isn’t it working in Chicago?





https://apnews.com/article/homicide-...165925d5a33cce
This is why gun laws (not bans, just common sense restrictions) need to be done at the federal level. The gun does not recognize state borders. Only the law breakers.

It shouldn't even be a partisan issue. Both parties are in favor of 2a, for the most part, neither party wants to see anyone dead, save for a few fringe on either side, and Americans OVERWHELMINGLY favor some controls to reduce gun violence.
 
Old 01-04-2021, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yes, he did offer but the little lawn gnome mayor rejected his offer. And when he sent Federal enforcement, the liberal prosecutors didn't do their job. ALL of chicago's problems are because of the democrat leadership for the last many decades.
The prior governor, a Republican, declined Trump’s offer to send in troops.

Curfews and troops can mitigate temporary, protracted civil unrest. Shootings in the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago, substantially predate BLM, by decades.

Trump did however, send in more ATF agents to help trace firearms. No surprise, most of the thousands of firearms recovered by CPD, each year were originally legally sourced from licensed firearm dealers in the suburbs, including nearby Indiana. The closest shop that sells the most recovered firearms is located in a suburb, less than a mile from city border.

Thousands of legally acquired and permitted firearms are reported missing, each year as straw purchases resell them.
 
Old 01-04-2021, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Depends on where in Indiana and Wisconsin.

Gary, Indiana has a higher homicide rate than Chicago.

The largest city in Indiana is Indianapolis, population about 592,000.

The largest city in Wisconsin is Milwaukee with a population of about. 368,000.

In contrast, Chicago has a population of about 2.7 million and a metro population of 9.5 million.

Chicago’s location has been a regional hub of alcohol, firearm and drug trafficking for more than 100 years.

Has not mattered who was mayor or governor or party in control.

There is a tendency for people to blame politicians for the behaviors of the people. Many of the blame throwers protect the shooters and do so out of family loyalty or fear.

No amount of policing will solve this.

The current mayor rejects demands to defund the police. The current mayor however, has a long history of focusing on police misconduct which puts her at odds with the fraternal order of police.

The county and state, not the city prosecute criminals and impose minimum sentencing and parole.

What precludes the state from outsourcing imprisonment of violent criminals to cheaper states or dare I say, countries?


You may want to double check your population of Indianapolis and Milwaukee. Indianapolis population is 820,000 and Milwaukee population 596,000.
 
Old 01-04-2021, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Boston
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The cops in Chicago are staying in their cars. Who the hell wants to get out to stop a crime when the people you are trying to protect start filming you, throwing things at you, and jeering.
they don't live in the neighborhoods where crime is the highest. They really don't care, they just want to go home after their tour of duty.
 
Old 01-04-2021, 09:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Myghost View Post
This is why gun laws (not bans, just common sense restrictions) need to be done at the federal level. The gun does not recognize state borders. Only the law breakers.

It shouldn't even be a partisan issue. Both parties are in favor of 2a, for the most part, neither party wants to see anyone dead, save for a few fringe on either side, and Americans OVERWHELMINGLY favor some controls to reduce gun violence.
Common sense like? We already have federal laws in place.
 
Old 01-04-2021, 10:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
One can legally purchase a firearm in a suburb, barely one mile from Chicago.

So long as ownership is registered and permitted, it is lawful to possess and conceal carry in Chicago.

Again, it is reasonable to assume most who live in the most dangerous neighborhoods are carrying, legal or otherwise.

It is not possible to defend yourself and family when someone in intent on shooting you or one of your family members. Turn your back and you get shot. Sit in your living room, watching TV and you might be a victim.
Drive to the gas station to fill your tank, and the shots may come from behind or the street. Let your kid outside to play on the front steps, the kid is vulnerable.

Nothing short of one on one policing, 24/7, can prevent this. Cops can be at one end of the block while someone is being executed at the other end of the block.

The greatest exodus within the city is happening in the most dangerous communities. It has elements of a reversal of the great migration.
And what does this have to do with the topic ? Legal firearms are not the problem. My reply was to this poster. And the assumption was that person was talking about straw purchases. If this thread is about legal firearms, I stand corrected.

"Originally Posted by legalsea
One problem is this:
"Many states that have tight gun laws are surrounded by states that do not have strict gun laws. As a result, guns are often brought in from neighboring states". "
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