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Originally Posted by Sumerian_Summer
That's hilariously wrong.
If Jesus were the defacto authoritarian leader of America, porn would be banned, sex outside of marriage would be banned, marriage would only be for heterosexuals, welfare recipients or those on government assistance would be required to do some form of labor to earn their benefits (a man who doesn't work doesn't eat - Thessalonians), gays would probably be sent to some form of christian education camp or would be encouraged to become celibate monks.
I think you're stuck in the Old Testament.
We're talking about the New Testament, which is where Christianity, not Judaism, comes to be.
And I give less weight to what Paul says, who didn't even know Jesus when he was alive, than the actual stuff Jesus said.
So no.
Jesus was the fella who said the last shall be first, the prodigal son should be completely forgiven, people working the last 15 minutes of the work day should be paid the same as those who labored all day, and let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
When you say "most conservatives", what metric are you using to determine that? Around here, most conservatives that I personally know, don't give a crap about religion, as far as it's role in politics is concerned. I think if you leave the bible belt, the rest of the country's conservatives don't insert religion into their politics. Even the religious conservatives know how to separate their religion from politics, just like the religious democrats do.
I guess my metric is what I see and agree the Bible Belt is ground zero. It's like that stunt Trump pulled awhile ago posing with the Bible. It's all so phony to me but many (not all) Republicans seem to lap this stuff up even when the same person is on tape bragging about grabbing women by the p****.
I never went to religious school, and I have never been to church in my life.
But I took a class on the bible recently, and learned a lot of interesting things.
So how do conservatives balance the free-market / wealth driven side of their philosophy when Jesus thought the rich are all going to hell, and society should not punish those who fail to compete in the market.
If you don't like Christian theology since it stands against everything you believe, why claim to be Christian?
The stock market, usury, gambling wealth on investments, appreciating capital, buying excessively (a staple of increasing global demand and 'uplifting the poor'), etc. are all things Jesus thought were evil and against god.
So why follow his words, why not hate him for opposing prosperity?
If that's what they taught you, you should ask your money back)))
Because what he REALLY said is that it will be as difficult for a rich man to make it to his kingdom as for a camel to pass through a needle eye.
So no "going to hell" here.
Just difficult, and it's relatively easy to understand why.
It's called the "order of things," and under this order certain people get into the upper/privileged positions, while other end up at the bottom, and will be in the grinder until their death. ( Hence - "the poor will be always among us.")
So some of the rich/wealthy people of course are very wrong, when they assume that they are where they are because of exclusively their "hard work" and that they are so very *deserving* comparably to other out there.
It's not a case.
With that being said however, PART of the Christian conservatives still adhere to what they understand as a bible teaching and follow the principle of "do what you need to do, do it to the best of your knowledge, and whatever comes out of it, will come" ( hopefully - the second coming, that signifies the change of the "order of things," described above.
But that's God's decision so to speak - to change this order of things, that has been set in motion for only known to him reasons.)
But that's mostly the older generation of American conservatives; the younger ones question things more and more and tend to push the boundaries.
"Republican christian" and Christianity as taught by the person named Jesus are two very different things. The last bastion of scoundrels is to hide behind religion, and we see that today.
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Originally Posted by rstevens62
The bible also says Satan is the ruler/god of this world...wouldnt it be the norm for material worship and love of money to be justified under his rule?
One also has to wonder...if Satan is the ruler/god of our world...what does that say about the govts of our world?!!!
"Republican christian" and Christianity as taught by the person named Jesus are two very different things. The last bastion of scoundrels is to hide behind religion, and we see that today.
Ignorance of Christianity is very apparent in this thread. Christian beliefs among the different denominations really do vary. There is no such thing as a "Republican Christian", and those most often being critical are not Christians themselves, and are more bent on being critical of Christians (who make them uncomfortable) than anything else.
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Originally Posted by burdell
Where does it say that?
You know, I tried to find that, and I think this speaks to it, but that it is being misinterpreted:
"Second Corinthians 4:4 says, "In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." How is Satan the god of this world?"
"Other passages also note Satan's power in this world. For example, John 12:31 calls Satan the "ruler of this world," again showing his power is limited to matters on the earth. Ephesians 2:2 calls Satan the "prince of the power of the air," a variation of this same title."
That is the best explanation that I could find.
Satan does rule some, but is not the ruler of the world, nor is Satan's power stronger than that of God. One does have to wonder though sometimes with so many having turned their souls toward Satan these days.
"Second Corinthians 4:4 says, "In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." How is Satan the god of this world?"
"Other passages also note Satan's power in this world. For example, John 12:31 calls Satan the "ruler of this world," again showing his power is limited to matters on the earth. Ephesians 2:2 calls Satan the "prince of the power of the air," a variation of this same title."
That is the best explanation that I could find.
Satan does rule some, but is not the ruler of the world, nor is Satan's power stronger than that of God. One does have to wonder though sometimes with so many having turned their souls toward Satan these days.
I knew of the mentions of the battle between good and evil but don't recall anything saying "The bible also says Satan is the ruler/god of this world" which is what prompted my question. Perhaps we'll yet hear from the one who said this.
Mixing Faith with Politics is a toxic combination, better the 2 remain separate..
Unfortunately, it can't be skipped all together, because when in politics, you HAVE to base your beliefs on something, and this "something" usually has a history that goes all the way to the foundation of it all in Western world.
Namely - history of Church and Christianity.
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