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Old 01-09-2021, 03:58 PM
 
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Start by talking and listening to the 1/2 of the country you immediately shut out with the original post.
Who are you specifically talking about? And can you elaborate on your point? I'm asking because I feel like there is more that should be said on this matter.
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Old 01-09-2021, 03:59 PM
 
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Time to start qanon enclaves, where everyone can live and breath in the same echo chamber of right wing conspiracy theories.
We already have Qanon enclaves. They are known as the KKK and Neo-Nazis.
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Old 01-09-2021, 04:07 PM
 
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We must use all legal political means and grassroots activism to fight the liberal agenda wherever and whenever possible now that the Democrats control the Senate too. While the black community is clearly a Democrat monolith now thanks to propaganda and racial obsession, there is still a large slice of the Hispanic American and Asian American communities that put country before race and haven't given into racial identity politics, who truly love this country and stand against socialism and communism. The GOP desperately needs to reach out to these people and focus on them, let them know that we see them, that we desperately need them and this country needs them and that they are also our kind of people. We need black conservatives to speak out and once we go away from racial politics, people of all colors will start focusing on the real threat on this country which is leftism and liberalism and their actual policies like putting other nations first, destroying business through overregulation and unfair trade, taking over our health care, etc etc.

We must also try to encourage the last remaining moderate Democrats like Joe Manchin to leave the party and come to this side of the aisle.
Well, this is the way I see it. Anyone who feels they have little stake in this society, and doesn't feel threatened by the liberal agenda that you're speaking of, said persons won't be on board with fighting it. People tend to fight what they feel threatened by. There is a reason Black Americans are voting Democrat to the tune of 90%, and isn't because Blacks are more liberal than anyone else. Welfare doesn't have nearly as much to do with it as many would like to think. You don't need Black conservatives, you need the rest of the Black population.
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Old 01-09-2021, 04:39 PM
 
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actly as you wish AMONGST YOURSELVES. I would love to see you all happy, if that is possible. The only thing I ask in return is that you leave those who do not wish to be part of your collectivist Utopia OUT of it. Unfortunately that seems to be too much to ask. And that's the part I hate.


No, republicans want to impose their philosophy even when you are outnumbered. When things don't go their way they fabricate lies and claim the lose elections because of voting fraud.

Republicans are not the party of "live and let live" They want to tell people what to do with their bodies, impose their God on others. Force patriotic love so we can have a 800 billion defense spending. They want people to pay taxes so the big corporations can get their nice breaks while the little people get nothing when their company moves to a cheaper state of cheaper country. Taxation without representation. They supported outsourcing, they have destroyed unions.

Republicans are not the party of freedom. Only the people on top are free from taxes. Trump made tax cuts for corporations permanent. The little people will see their tax cuts expire, of course after the election.
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Old 01-09-2021, 04:45 PM
 
Location: California
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Voting used to work but Dems ruined that and now half the country thinks it's all rigged. I suggest we fix that first and do whatever it takes to make it as simple and transparent as it ought to be. STOP with the vilifying of political opponents. Everyone knows by now "the establishment" engaged in a witch hunt against Trump over the Russian Collusion hoax and ever single person should be embarrassed by our government because of it..and these same people are now taking control of everything! The media is especially to blame here and they need to be dismantled. We can't allow this crap to continue or more people are going to get hurt. I personally won't be shocked or appalled if that happens either because history proves this. My response to Wednesday was "what did you expect" and that will be my response next time it happens.
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Old 01-09-2021, 04:45 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I would like to ask a question to those of you who believe in this nation as founded and in the concept of liberty for all (the non-aggression principle). I prefer not to hear from the leftists here (although I know I will) because they have nothing constructive to add to this topic, only sarcastic drivel.

YESTERDAY WAS NOT THE ANSWER! It will only accelerate the ongoing implementation of tyranny. So what IS the answer? How do we get our nation back? How do we avoid having things we do not believe in jammed down our throats? How do we avoid being told what to believe, think, and do? How do we avoid financing evil? How do we withdraw from the culture of hell that is developing whilst living within it?


Let's think of what TO DO, rather than what NOT TO DO (like yesterday).

Here are some of my ideas (obviously not workable for some, so what are YOUR ideas):

1) I know this is very hard these days (by design), but STOP doing business with leftist companies, especially big ones (we all know who they are and I am guilty as sin--but I will do my best to change that now. Time to repent). Buy local, not even national. There is a trend in my area to bring back local businesses and markets. There is a very nice local farmer's market being built right now for locally grown foods and items in town. That needs to become much more common. Stop funding leftism and globalism--dealing with the big companies (again, you KNOW who they are) is funding your own enslavement. I've really got to work on this one myself because it is way too easy to click a button and have Amazon bring that book--or whatever else--to the door.

2) PASSIVE resistance. NOT rioting. Rioting and violence is the way of the left and to be avoided in every way possible. Unless you are planning on going to war, knock it off. Leave terrorism to the left and islamic extremists.

3) "Sanctuary States." Disassociate with leftists. Congregate. Strength in numbers. The left already does this. How many states have the taken over by flooding it with their minions? Do the same. Pick a state or region or county, and congregate in such numbers that YOU control the local government. That's what the left does. Play their game.

4) Advocate state's rights. Let places like California, NY, etc do their thing. Refuse to follow. States still have power. That power needs to be increased and federal authority over states reduced. Vote people in locally and statewide that will work towards that.

5) National elections are done. The left has them in the bag for the foreseeable future. Work HARD on state's rights (see #3 and #4).

6) Get your kids THE HELL out of the government school system. Private school or home schooling.

7) Disassociate yourself with leftist on a personal level. Let them do their thing... on their own. Don't pretend that you support what they are doing or believe. You still have the right to hold an opinion. You don't have to rub it in their faces like they do with us, but don't back down from what you believe because some tyrannist tells you you are whatever "-ism." Screw 'em. We all should be polite. But you don't have to be friendly with or back down from those who would destroy your lifestyle and take your rights.

8) This one will sound weird, but minimize your income as much as you can. The less you make, the less you pay the government to implement programs and policies you don't believe in. Get out of the dollar as much as you can. In my state, gold is legal currency. Barter. Community organize. Share (voluntarily).

9) States. It is all about states and counties. Make it very unpalatable (legally and socially) for wacko far-leftists to live in your community. Back to the "birds of a feather flock together." They are easily bored. Bore them out of your community. Enact community curfews, codes, and regulations.

9) DO NOT USE fakebook, twatter, ect. There are other options. Get rid of your phone from big corporation carriers.

Other ideas?
Or, you know, ya'll could just vote. But there's no drama in that.
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Old 01-09-2021, 04:55 PM
 
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I would like to ask a question to those of you who believe in this nation as founded and in the concept of liberty for all (the non-aggression principle). I prefer not to hear from the leftists here (although I know I will) because they have nothing constructive to add to this topic, only sarcastic drivel.

YESTERDAY WAS NOT THE ANSWER! It will only accelerate the ongoing implementation of tyranny. So what IS the answer? How do we get our nation back? How do we avoid having things we do not believe in jammed down our throats? How do we avoid being told what to believe, think, and do? How do we avoid financing evil? How do we withdraw from the culture of hell that is developing whilst living within it?


Let's think of what TO DO, rather than what NOT TO DO (like yesterday).

Here are some of my ideas (obviously not workable for some, so what are YOUR ideas):

1) I know this is very hard these days (by design), but STOP doing business with leftist companies, especially big ones (we all know who they are and I am guilty as sin--but I will do my best to change that now. Time to repent). Buy local, not even national. There is a trend in my area to bring back local businesses and markets. There is a very nice local farmer's market being built right now for locally grown foods and items in town. That needs to become much more common. Stop funding leftism and globalism--dealing with the big companies (again, you KNOW who they are) is funding your own enslavement. I've really got to work on this one myself because it is way too easy to click a button and have Amazon bring that book--or whatever else--to the door.

2) PASSIVE resistance. NOT rioting. Rioting and violence is the way of the left and to be avoided in every way possible. Unless you are planning on going to war, knock it off. Leave terrorism to the left and islamic extremists.

3) "Sanctuary States." Disassociate with leftists. Congregate. Strength in numbers. The left already does this. How many states have the taken over by flooding it with their minions? Do the same. Pick a state or region or county, and congregate in such numbers that YOU control the local government. That's what the left does. Play their game.

4) Advocate state's rights. Let places like California, NY, etc do their thing. Refuse to follow. States still have power. That power needs to be increased and federal authority over states reduced. Vote people in locally and statewide that will work towards that.

5) National elections are done. The left has them in the bag for the foreseeable future. Work HARD on state's rights (see #3 and #4).

6) Get your kids THE HELL out of the government school system. Private school or home schooling.

7) Disassociate yourself with leftist on a personal level. Let them do their thing... on their own. Don't pretend that you support what they are doing or believe. You still have the right to hold an opinion. You don't have to rub it in their faces like they do with us, but don't back down from what you believe because some tyrannist tells you you are whatever "-ism." Screw 'em. We all should be polite. But you don't have to be friendly with or back down from those who would destroy your lifestyle and take your rights.

8) This one will sound weird, but minimize your income as much as you can. The less you make, the less you pay the government to implement programs and policies you don't believe in. Get out of the dollar as much as you can. In my state, gold is legal currency. Barter. Community organize. Share (voluntarily).

9) States. It is all about states and counties. Make it very unpalatable (legally and socially) for wacko far-leftists to live in your community. Back to the "birds of a feather flock together." They are easily bored. Bore them out of your community. Enact community curfews, codes, and regulations.

9) DO NOT USE fakebook, twatter, ect. There are other options. Get rid of your phone from big corporation carriers.

Other ideas?
Does Putin know you are sharing his ideas? You might want to just mosey on over there and live. All your ideas certainly seem to validate that .

My idea is simple. Go to work. Be civil. Abide by the laws. Respect your community. And mind your manners. Not so difficult really . And....
You are welcome.
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Old 01-09-2021, 05:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
I would like to ask a question to those of you who believe in this nation as founded and in the concept of liberty for all (the non-aggression principle). I prefer not to hear from the leftists here (although I know I will) because they have nothing constructive to add to this topic, only sarcastic drivel.

YESTERDAY WAS NOT THE ANSWER! It will only accelerate the ongoing implementation of tyranny. So what IS the answer? How do we get our nation back?
Nov, 2022.

The seeds of Nov, 2010 I saw the first steps toward by the end of Q1 2009. Grass roots movements were the first signs.

I still recall witnessing a peaceful, well attended Tea Party rally near my house, and it was a powerful moment. I knew such gatherings were happening all over the nation.

It doesn't take much vote movement to sway House seats, and the strategy starting early 2009 became obvious, at doing enough to draw more interest in a large enough quantity of districts to make it impossible to defend.

Biden will pander to the left, which will make flipping non coastal House seats a piece of cake, especially since even in a covid year, The GOP took far more House seats net in 2020 than anyone projected, and new admins historically lose the mid-terms in a significant way.

View the House and Senate long-term like a baseball season.. you manage it in a long-term pov manner if wise.
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Old 01-09-2021, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Military City, USA.
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until the majority of regular Americans come to realize we are being played by a corrupt system where powerful people are pitting us against each other, there is no answer.




it will get worse.
I already realize this and I am sure many others do as well. So what is the answer?
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Old 01-09-2021, 05:22 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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OP, I am a Conservative Libertarian.
Your fourth point says ".. Advocate state's rights. .... States still have power. That power needs to be increased and federal authority over states reduced. "

I too believe in states' rights and favor a strict interpretation of the Constitution, as you seemingly do.

That said, can you please explain to me how this position can, with integrity, justify a Federal intervention and overriding of state-run elections and state-certified vote counts presented to the Senate for their simple task of COUNTING?
If we were under something more along the lines of the Articles of Confederation, it couldn't be justified at all, because the federal government would nearly not exist--at least nothing like we have now.

But, in the here-and-now, the federal government certainly does have the authority to compel states to abide by our Constitution.

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No, republicans want to impose their philosophy even when you are outnumbered. When things don't go their way they fabricate lies and claim the lose elections because of voting fraud.

Republicans are not the party of "live and let live" They want to tell people what to do with their bodies, impose their God on others. Force patriotic love so we can have a 800 billion defense spending. They want people to pay taxes so the big corporations can get their nice breaks while the little people get nothing when their company moves to a cheaper state of cheaper country. Taxation without representation. They supported outsourcing, they have destroyed unions.

Republicans are not the party of freedom. Only the people on top are free from taxes. Trump made tax cuts for corporations permanent. The little people will see their tax cuts expire, of course after the election.
Well, I'm not a Republican. I'm just condemned to picking the side that best espouses individual liberty; and at this point, that is certainly not the democrats. Be advised that I don't define individual liberty as the ability to legally smoke crack or marry my goldfish.

You mean telling people what to do with their bodies, as in they must get a vaccine? As far as "imposing a God on you," could you, perhaps, provide detail on how, exactly, a God is being imposed upon you?

And you guys want me to pay taxes so you can reward junkies living in the gutter with the hours of my life. I see it to be no worse having the hours of my life going to big corporations than I do having it go to junkies, welfare queens, and ghetto rats, who contribute ZIP to society.



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Does Putin know you are sharing his ideas? You might want to just mosey on over there and live. All your ideas certainly seem to validate that .

My idea is simple. Go to work. Be civil. Abide by the laws. Respect your community. And mind your manners. Not so difficult really . And....
You are welcome.
Well, I'm surprised that you just stated Russia is a better place to live than the US (I've never been there, so I have no idea). If Russia is espousing freedom, that's great. I can't see anything bad about that.

It's rather sad that back in the days of the USSR, the US was certainly a better place for the average Joe. But now... as you say... perhaps the tables have turned. Perhaps Russia is slowly becoming more free and the US is becoming more authoritarian. Your statement has given me much to think about. I'll have to do some research. I've only talked to Russians who escaped the Soviet Union (basically what we are becoming). I'll have to find some Russians from today and ask them about the general state of their nation for Russian citizens who were born Russians.

I have read a bit about their immigration policies and the way they insist that incoming residents assimilate into their culture. In my opinion, that is a good thing.
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