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Odd, how Trump got rid of Biden's Crime Bill that was responsible for incarcerating thousands of young black men, and permanently funded black colleges. Guess that explains why Trumps share of the minority vote grew amongst every group except White men compared to his record vs. Hillary
Amazing to me that the left is hysterical over what happened Wednesday (FTR, I denounce what those idiots did as well), yet are silent when libs attacked Rand Paul, Dan Bongino, etc., as they left the last day of the RNC conference. Or ignored the 100+ days of violence in Portland and other cities.
Hundreds of thousands attended Wednesday's rally and a fraction stormed the Capitol; punishment should be equally applied, but it's not.
Yes, Trump stirred the pot, and that's what needs to be done to expose the corruption in D.C.. If nothing else, Trump exposed the BS in government, e.g., the slow pace of legislation, agreements and treaties with the ME, and so on.
He showed how gov't should really work, and politicians hate him for it.
We still had 74M Americans vote for Trump.
We still have 200+ House GOP members that were elected, many of them based on Trumpism.
We still have 50 Senate GOP members that were elected, many of them based on Trumpism.
There isn't a single elected official at the federal level that was elected outside the era of Trump. Senators elected in 2014 before Trump was on the scene were just up for re-election in 2020.
These politicians are serving in Washington mostly based on their loyalty to Trump and Trumpism. As long as Trump is holding his hand over the button (the button that results in a primary challenge, coupled with his fundraising strength), they might continue to vote how they do.
The other thing you have to keep in mind - gerrymandering allowed for the Tea Party and then the Trump Party to come into relevance. What does gerrymandering have to do with it? Here's some food for thought:
In 2016, Republicans won the national house vote 49.1% to 48% - or 1.1 points. That 1.1 point advantage gave them a 47 seat advantage.
In 2018, Democrats won the national House vote 53.4% to 44.8% - or 8.6 points. It took 8.6 points to get a 36 seat advantage.
In 2020, Democrats won the national House vote 50.8% to 47.7% - or 3.1 points. Democrats need to win by 3 points nationally to just barely keep the balance of power.
This is because of how districts are gerrymandered. Most are baked-in with a 3-point or so advantage for Republicans. As long as Democrats don't win nationally by more than 3 points, Republicans can either keep the House or Democrats have a slim majority. If Republicans win nationally by as little as 1 point, they run away with the House. And as you saw, even an 8.6 point win by Democrats still yields a smaller advantage in the House than just a 1 point advantage for Republicans.
Given that, Trumpism can continue. At a national level, even heavily flawed Republican House candidates that could support insurrection would easily be re-elected. The key is in the primary. In the short term, Republican support for insurrection is about 50/50 (sad when you think about it). Chances are, as times goes on, this insurrection will be forgotten and forgiven by Republicans. I fully expect Trumpish candidates will make it through primaries and easily win districts due to only the most flawed candidates being unable to win in districts that were carved out especially for them. Trumpish candidates will continue to be elected and we'll see a continuation of this for a generation.
We still had 74M Americans vote for Trump.
We still have 200+ House GOP members that were elected, many of them based on Trumpism.
We still have 50 Senate GOP members that were elected, many of them based on Trumpism.
There isn't a single elected official at the federal level that was elected outside the era of Trump. Senators elected in 2014 before Trump was on the scene were just up for re-election in 2020.
These politicians are serving in Washington mostly based on their loyalty to Trump and Trumpism. As long as Trump is holding his hand over the button (the button that results in a primary challenge, coupled with his fundraising strength), they might continue to vote how they do.
The other thing you have to keep in mind - gerrymandering allowed for the Tea Party and then the Trump Party to come into relevance. What does gerrymandering have to do with it? Here's some food for thought:
In 2016, Republicans won the national house vote 49.1% to 48% - or 1.1 points. That 1.1 point advantage gave them a 47 seat advantage.
In 2018, Democrats won the national House vote 53.4% to 44.8% - or 8.6 points. It took 8.6 points to get a 36 seat advantage.
In 2020, Democrats won the national House vote 50.8% to 47.7% - or 3.1 points. Democrats need to win by 3 points nationally to just barely keep the balance of power.
This is because of how districts are gerrymandered. Most are baked-in with a 3-point or so advantage for Republicans. As long as Democrats don't win nationally by more than 3 points, Republicans can either keep the House or Democrats have a slim majority. If Republicans win nationally by as little as 1 point, they run away with the House. And as you saw, even an 8.6 point win by Democrats still yields a smaller advantage in the House than just a 1 point advantage for Republicans.
Given that, Trumpism can continue. At a national level, even heavily flawed Republican House candidates that could support insurrection would easily be re-elected. The key is in the primary. In the short term, Republican support for insurrection is about 50/50 (sad when you think about it). Chances are, as times goes on, this insurrection will be forgotten and forgiven by Republicans. I fully expect Trumpish candidates will make it through primaries and easily win districts due to only the most flawed candidates being unable to win in districts that were carved out especially for them. Trumpish candidates will continue to be elected and we'll see a continuation of this for a generation.
I have no doubt that many Republicans strongly associated themselves with Trump, but at least in the Senate, and some governors are less so tied to him.
For example, it is said that Susan Collins won Maine largely because she played up her Maine roots. Her challenger Sara Gideon had just been living in Maine for 15 years. In a small homogenous state like Maine, it probably helped Collins.
Then Thom Thillis won NC also largely by playing up his humble family story, while Cunningham had a little sex scandal. I think Joni Ernst of Iowa might have played up her image as well.
Any Republican that worked with George W. Bush like Rob Portman of Ohio also seem less tied to Trumpism.
Anyways, I think it's these Republicans will pivot their party to try to abandon Trumpism, but there will be a rift.
That's some good information. Maybe some of these politicians that started their Congressional career before Trump can escape Trumpism and steer the party. I guess we shall see.
That's some good information. Maybe some of these politicians that started their Congressional career before Trump can escape Trumpism and steer the party. I guess we shall see.
I don't know about that. I think that the genie is out of the bottle. For the first time in a long time racists, bigots, and white supremacists feel safe to crawl out from under their rocks and pretend that they're members of mainstream society. Here's an example:
Too bad this isn't a Republican-only thread, lots of junky comments to wade through, including the last one about racism, especially considering the Democratic Party has made much of their platform based on race.
Any Republicans that are defending any form of the riots and support the objections to the Electoral College vote should listen to this podcast from Dan Crenshaw https://holdthesetruthswithdancrensh...-steve-vladeck
Even if you just feel lost as to what to believe, you might want to listen. Conservative principles are the correct moral path to take. Once you start defending riots, you are no better than Democrats who justify rioting and even murder at every turn in order to advance their cause. Those who stormed the Capitol are no better than the progressives outside the hospital chanting "Let them die" in regards to injured police officers. The extreme right and left wings are both anti-government, they don't support any party, so don't think they are your friends in this battle.
Most Republicans were and are still appalled by Trump's personal behavior. We just went along with it because his policies were good and we were kind of forced to. It's time to regroup and look to new leaders. Many people are sick of the hatred spewing from the left, the cancel culture, the new forms of racist behavior they enact to undo transgressions of the past, the hatred for America, and the support of violence at every turn. POC are increasingly turning to the Republican Party when they no longer buy the lie that higher taxes and wealth redistribution are the solutions. They see decades of welfare that has made their communities even more dependent on the government. The Democratic Party no longer values actual working class people, everyone sees this.
So why did Trump lose? His behavior, plain and simple. There's no amount of excuses that can justify his personal behavior.
And if "r small" thinks David Duke's support has any kind of meaning, then I must remind people that Richard Spencer, a prominent neo-Nazi and white nationalist, voted straight Democrat in this last election and supports Joe Biden. https://www.newsweek.com/white-natio...eology-1544572
If the Republicans don't excise the Trump cancer from their party, they are toast. No one will ever forget the scenes that they witnessed during the attack on our Capitol. No one will ever forget that Trump finally revealed his true colors and threw open the doors to the closet where he had been secretly bonding with these Neo-fascist miscreants.
IF Republicans repudiate the Trumpists and IF they let the moderates solidify a true conservative platform again and IF they bring a reasonable level-headed candidate, they could recover.
Otherwise the Democrats will be calling the shots for a long, long time in the Administrative and Legislative branches of government.
If the Republicans don't excise the Trump cancer from their party, they are toast. No one will ever forget the scenes that they witnessed during the attack on our Capitol. No one will ever forget that Trump finally revealed his true colors and threw open the doors to the closet where he had been secretly bonding with these Neo-fascist miscreants.
IF Republicans repudiate the Trumpists and IF they let the moderates solidify a true conservative platform again and IF they bring a reasonable level-headed candidate, they could recover.
Otherwise the Democrats will be calling the shots for a long, long time in the Administrative and Legislative branches of government.
The real question is, what is the Republican party without the MAGAs? They are a sizeable block of voters who have said they're done with the GOP. Who is their core now? The few remaining real conservatives last seen cowering under their congressional seats in fear of this tyrant long before the siege of the capitol even occurred? 2022 is going to be interesting as it will be the first time we see if there is anything left of the Republican party.
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