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You think your vote for Biden counted in this election? The people didn't elect Biden. Your government did. The people's voices were not heard. I don't care who you voted for.
The government knew what they were doing letting the people in the capitol. Now your government elites that don't give a damn about you are going to gain even more power and get richer off you. The government has no problem with a few people dying to get what they want.
Welcome to communist America. Get ready, just because the election is official now doesn't mean this war is over. Far from it. The people who feel they were cheated aren't just going to accept Biden.
Wait. Are you saying government deliberately let the terrorists into the Capitol building in order to make Trump and his supporters look bad?
Trump will never again hold public office. Forget about 2024.
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Although I think it would be a waste of time to impeach him with 12 days left it could happen. Then he'll have the distinction of being the only president in history to be impeached twice.
He needs to be impeached again and this time removed, even if it ends up being symbolic since Biden will become President this month.
While I believe Senators Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse, Susan Collins and Pat Toomey would vote for it, Lisa Murkowski most likely as well, there needs to be about 11-12 more GOP senators that agree to the impeachment to get the 67 votes.
I think that's the only way it guarantees it and sends the message.
Otherwise, he could run again in some position in some deep South state, and be a voice to basically restart the Confederacy.
For too long, the GOP has acted like Trump's actions are forgiveable and words don't matter. And I'm afraid even Pence and some GOP members will more or less take that softer thoughts and prayers approach, while trying to move away from it as quickly as possible, and back to the Democratic Party is socialism blabber.
The last 4 years have been the most exciting in the history of our nation for us. Finally, a dark horse underdog who absolutely humiliated his rivals and won the Presidency. Legendary unemployment across the board, Peace in the Middle East, mud in the eye of our enemies, obliterating terrorists, tax cuts, stocks up, people motivated, irreverent comments, outlandish verve to everyone. Made us proud to be Americans. We stood tall in the world.
No Apologies...ever.
MAGA
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He lost you the house, senate, and White House.
He’ll be nothing more than a blot of **** in our history books.
Personally can’t wait for the movies/tv shows.
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And then there's all the rest of you. We are Americans. You're just visiting.
I don't find this type of back and forth to be helpful at all. I recognize I sometime engage in it too, but I'm trying to do less of that, if not stop completely.
The reality is there are strong feelings on both sides. Telling someone that they are unamerican because of their policy views is not helpful. I will say WITHOUT APOLOGY that Trump's leadership in the attack on our capital is unforgivable. From a policy point of view, I disagree with many of his policies, agree with a few, and respect people's right to support most of them (policies, not some of the ideologies).
OP: I suspect Trump's legacy will not be as rosy as you make it out to be. In fact, and with much evidence, whether you like his policies or not, he made many Americans feel very ashamed. Ashamed because they are Americans, and some of his behavior was not reflective of their values. I'm not saying they are right or wrong (I certainly have an opinion), I am just pointing out that a blanket statement that he made us proud to be Americans is not accurate. To most of the world, America is now seen with pity. That is unfortunate, no matter how justified or not. We are not as strong of world leaders as we were four years ago.
Although I think it would be a waste of time to impeach him with 12 days left it could happen. Then he'll have the distinction of being the only president in history to be impeached twice.
A successful impeachment could make him ineligible for a 2nd term, so it's not really a waste if that's the endgame.
As someone who is happy to see him out of office and would love to sleep soundly knowing he can't win it back, I have mixed feelings on impeachment. I'm not convinced another drawn out process would be good for undoing the damage that's been done with division in this country.
Honest and transparent? Jesus. He lied at an astonishing rate and his nepotism was freakin' brazen.
Yep. He started lying right out of the gate with his claim of the largest inaugural crowd in history. Then finished with a total of more than 20,000 lies including the biggest lie in American history claiming the election was stolen from him. Trump is the biggest liar in the history of the planet.
A successful impeachment could make him ineligible for a 2nd term, so it's not really a waste if that's the endgame.
As someone who is happy to see him out of office and would love to sleep soundly knowing he can't win it back, I have mixed feelings on impeachment. I'm not convinced another drawn out process would be good for undoing the damage that's been done with division in this country.
...I have mixed feelings on impeachment. I'm not convinced another drawn out process would be good for undoing the damage that's been done with division in this country.
At this point, getting him away from executive authority, launch codes etc. would be a good thing. (Yes, I know it's not just a matter of pushing a button. Still.)
Trump might need a defense, though. You apparently forgot about his criminal obstruction of a Justice Department investigation... his bribery of the president of Ukraine by withholding its military aid while Russia attacked its border... his abuse of his office to attack his perceived political opponents... his "love affairs" with murderous foreign dictators... his violations of campaign finance laws by disguising hush money payments to a porn star... his giving aid and comfort to neo-Nazis and white supremacists... his defiance of requests and subpoenas from congressional committees charged with oversight... his refusal to protect our electoral system from foreign interference... his shameless and constant lying to the Americal people... And why did he never release his promised tax returns, and where is Mexico's payment for the wall?
Does anyone remember WHY Trump was elected to begin with?
People were sick of the same old politicians and the same false promises.
Trump's platform was very clear. Trade reform, tax reform, border enforcement to name a few. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Drain The Swamp.
Many may not like his personality, there are things I don't like about him myself. But he wasn't elected to be personable. We elected him to get things done that so many politicians saw as too controversial to take on. To his credit, he stayed the course and was the most honest, committed, and transparent president at least in my lifetime.
Just wow!
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