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Old 07-04-2021, 03:54 PM
 
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Can you give me the index numbers of the court cases that proved a conspiracy of fraud in the 2020 presidential election? I'd like to read the details. Thanks!
The "riot" broke out while I was watching livestreams of the hearing, where Arizona's evidence of election fraud was being presented to the Senate. You should be able to find the livestreams of the interrupted hearing on the internet.

Arizona's audit report should be coming out in a few weeks.

Mike Lindell will be holding a Cyber Symposium on August 10, 11 & 12, to present the packet captures from the election.

A number of other states are preparing for audits.

Plenty of additional evidence will be presented, although I'm sure, no matter what it is, you'll find some reason that it won't meet your standards...
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Old 07-04-2021, 04:03 PM
 
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BLM: Hundreds of Riots, Tens of Thousands of Rioters, neighborhoods burned in a dozen cities, civilian establishments targeted for looting. No FBI involvement, out of the many thousands of instances of assault, larceny, vandalism and arson, ...maybe... several dozen charges that stuck.

Apparently terrorism works, Alzheimer Joe gave them a new federal holiday.

MAGA: One Riot, about 3,000 Rioters, no damage to civilain establishments (particularly Target and Whole Foods). FBI uses every tool at their disposal to relentlessly track any cell phone data registered out of state anywhere within a mile radius, and made over 500 charges that stuck.

...and this one riot was only after MONTHS of government kowtowing to BLM, the only atrocity about January 6th was that more people didn't show up.
Chances are most of the charges will end up being nothing other than fines in the end
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Old 07-04-2021, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Can you give me the index numbers of the court cases that proved a conspiracy of fraud in the 2020 presidential election? I'd like to read the details. Thanks!
It really was the perfect crime.

It can’t be proven, it was a complex, slow, methodical information campaign perpetuated by the left machine, which includes traditional media, social media, etc. It was less about fraud, and more about election interference. It’s really no different than what those Russians did in 2016, just on a much larger scale.
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Old 07-04-2021, 04:04 PM
 
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(patiently)

There goes that long-debunked lie again. The liberals evidently just can't get enough of it. Particularly since their entire agenda hangs on it, and they shudder with horror at the idea of their election fraud being found out and exposed.

Of course, there is a ton of evidence showing their corruption, lawbreaking, vote theft etc. It would take thousands of pages to list it all. Here are just a few examples:

Democrats keep repeating "There's no evidence of election fraud!" Oh, really? How many examples would you like?


There are literally thousand of examples. Sworn testimony from eyewitnesses, affidavits sworn under penalty of perjury, videos, etc. etc.

This OP could be hundreds of pages long. Here are just a few examples. You Democrats, how many such examples would it take to convince you? (A rhetorical questions, they would NEVER be convinced).

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https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...0Authority.pdf
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11. In Michigan, a preliminary report, conducted by Russell James Ramsland, Jr. of Allied Security Operations Group, LLC (“ASOG”), summarizing the results of ASOG’s court-ordered forensic audit of Dominion Voting Systems equipment used in Antrim County, Michigan, was released on December 14, 2020. A copy of this report is attached hereto as Exhibit A. The report delivers the following preliminary conclusion:

We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud. Based on our study, we conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not be used in Michigan. We further conclude that the results of Antrim County should not have been certified.

Exh. A, ¶ B(2), p. 1. This Interim Report finds that the Dominion software was updated between the November 3, 2020 election and the subsequent recounts and that the updated software inexplicably produced wildly different results from the election day version. Id. at ¶ B(3), p. 2.
....to provide just one example among hundreds.

As usual, liberals have claimed a "hand recount" of paper ballots (which were printed out after voting by the same voting machines under investigation, not by the voters) somehow cleared the Dominion voting machines.

* Does that mean that it is no longer true that records and logs are missing?

* Does it mean that the machines no longer put out wildly differing counts before and after a firmware upgrade?

* Does it mean that logs produced during the forensic analysis no longer showed that a section of code that deliberately weighed Biden votes differently from Trump votes was active and running during the election and subsequent counting?

They seem to be claiming that these things are somehow "no longer true". No explanation for this has been given.

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At State Farm Arena in Atlanta, GA on the day of the election, Surveillance video showed workers counting ballots with Republican and Democrat observers present.

At time tick 10:40 in the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9cSboHHS8
attorney Jacki Pick shows the video and narrates it.

At approx. 11:00PM, a woman with long blonde hair is seen talking to a number of the workers and observers. Shortly afterward, all the observers and most of the workers are seen turning and heading for the exit, except for four workers who stayed. Witnesses have described in sworn statements that the woman with long blonde hair had told everyone that everyone was quitting for the night and would resume ballot-counting etc. the following morning.

But the GA Secretary of State’s office later said that no one had told them they were quitting for the night, and that everyone should leave.

"We have launched an investigation into why the monitors from the political parties left before scanning ended," the secretary of state's office said. "While it was their right to leave early, we want to make certain they were not misled into thinking scanning had stopped for the night when it had not."
https://www.thecentersquare.com/geor...598f7c336.html

The Secretary of State’s representative making this statement was not sworn to tell the truth, unlike witnesses who WERE sworn and made statements saying they WERE told that everybody was to leave.

Atlanta election officials have since said that the videos show “normal ballot procedures”, as though counting ballots after sending the observers out of the room, in flat violation of Georgia law, was somehow “normal”.

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Rudy Giuliani gave a press conference on Nov. 19, 2020 in which he described various direct evidence of fraud. 60 different people swore out affidavits, under penalty of perjury, that they had volunteered to come to the ballot-counting rooms to observe the counting and tabulating of ballots; and that they had been physically prevented from doing so, in violation of state laws.

Fast forward this video to the 12:40 mark and listen to hear it.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?478246...plans-lawsuits

Giuliani also mentioned a woman in Michigan named Jessie Jacob whose job was to collect mail-in ballots, who signed a similar affidavit (again under penalty of perjury) that her supervisor had ordered her and the other employees to deliberately falsify the date on the mail-in ballots, to reflect an earlier date than the actual date they were mailed. Again in flat violation of Michigan state election law.
See the above video at 16:20 to hear about it.

Giuliani has dozens of other sworn affidavits from other employees, volunteers etc. describing illegal behavior with ballots. Being sworn before an office of the court, under threat of the penalty for perjury, these are all direct evidence of violations of election law and ballot fraud. Giuliani and the rest of Trump’s legal team are collecting more and more such evidence as time goes on.

So much for endless repetitions of "There isn't any evidence". You Democrats, how many such examples would it take to convince you? (A rhetorical questions, they would NEVER be convinced).

Leftists who keep insisting there is “no evidence of fraud or election lawbreaking”, are either astoundingly ignorant of the truth, or are aware of the truth and are lying to you, trying to fool you into believing there is none.
^^^^^ Then why didn’t at least 1 of the 62 courts rule differently ?
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Old 07-04-2021, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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The Capitol rioters are as embarrassing, and detrimental to the cause for the right, as the BLM rioters are for the left.

Useful idiots on both sides.
With one important difference. The Capitol rioters are being tracked down relentlessly while the BLM rioters have all been exonerated (with 3-4 billion dollars in damages).

If BLM supporters had invaded the Capitol, they would have been forgiven long ago.
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Old 07-04-2021, 05:02 PM
 
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The Capitol rioters are as embarrassing, and detrimental to the cause for the right, as the BLM rioters are for the left.

Useful idiots on both sides.
It was no coincidence the "riot" took place at the EXACT SAME TIME AS THE EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD WAS BEING PRESENTED TO THE SENATE. And the first person arrested in the Capitol was Antifa/BLM.
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Old 07-04-2021, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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What about burning businesses, attempting to destroy federal property, setting up an autonomous zone, shooting up a family killing a child, throwing projectiles at the police, killing police officers. All while being cheered on by the left as mostly peaceful protests.
The examples I’ve bolded were also committed by the insurrectonists on January 6th, while they staged a violent takeover of the seat of American democracy because they were so unbelievably butt-hurt that their unpopular president lost an election by millions of votes. Their aim was to stop the peaceful transfer of power and essentially install Donald Trump as president against the will of the people.

Meanwhile, the burning of businesses happened at a relatively small number of thousands of BLM protests by a very small number of instigators and troublemakers when the anger over George Floyd’s death was still palpable. No one on the left who actually matters is condoning the destruction of property, but the right’s fixation on the relatively few instances of looting and arson during what is one of the largest and most widespread protest movements in American history show what their priorities are. Most people on the right didn’t get angry about George Floyd’s murder, or Philando Castile’s, or Breonna Taylor’s, or Eric Garner’s, but when a slew of overwhelmingly peaceful protests staged across the nation for more than a year are infiltrated by opportunists and criminals who engage in looting and arson, then suddenly the anger comes out.

To look at the flip side, the Capitol was invaded by people who were intentionally trying to subvert democracy by stopping certification of a presidential election, vandalized the hell out of Congress, ruthlessly beat Capitol police, spoke openly about “arresting” members of Congress as well as hanging the vice-president, and who took active measures to get to fleeing members of Congress before they could escape. Instead of being angered by these actions, many on the right are mainly outraged about one thing that happened that day - the killing of Ashli Babbit, who was attempting to breach an area where politicians were exposed. I don’t hear much sympathy for the Capitol officers who will never work in law enforcement again, who were hospitalized with serious injuries, who will suffer with feelings of guilt and PTSD for years, and those who committed suicide in the days after the insurrection. Oh yeah, and they also planted at least one bomb that thankfully did not go off.

On the one hand, you have millions of Americans of all colors coming out into the streets of towns and cities across America to peacefully protest and demand reform and defunding of the police. I’ll come back to the whole defunding the police controversy later. Among the thousands of BLM protests that have occurred since last May, critics of the movement focus solely on the isolated cases of arson and looting that occurred almost entirely in the immediate aftermath of George Floyd’s murder to discredit the entire movement. Anyone who really cared to be honest about the issue would concede that protests like these provide perfect cover for a more criminal element to take advantage of the situation. I highly doubt that those who are truly committed to the issue would undermine their own cause this way. Meanwhile, right-leaning news agencies encourage this thinking by focusing on BLM protests only when there is violence and looting, creating a false impression that law-breaking and violence is the norm in these protests. Meanwhile, these same critics have no sympathy for the victims of police violence and see no reason why people should be angry at police officers who act like the same gangsters they claim to be protecting the public from.

As for the CHAZ or CHOP or whatever you want to call it, that was allowed to exist for a short time in a single Seattle neighborhood until police moved in and cleared it out. It lasted what, a week or two? Again, a criminal element took advantage of the lack of police in the area to engage the kinds of activities that ultimately led to its demise.

On the other hand, you have a group of supposed patriots who were angry that a democratic election didn’t go their way, allowed themselves to be duped into thinking that one of the most unpopular, divisive presidents in history was cheated. Despite there being no evidence of cheating and every court case brought by Trump’s legal team challenging the result was thrown out for lack of evidence, thousands of Trump supporters planned and executed the most ridiculous coup attempt in history. They may not have been successful, but it doesn’t mean they didn’t try to subvert democracy while destroying property, assaulting police officers, using violence to force their way into Congress, and then actively search for politicians to arrest, kidnap, hold hostage, and so on.

Finally, I want to address the idea that most protestors want to completely abolish the police. Defund is not the same as abolish, and while there are some who do want to abolish, that does not reflect the mainstream view. It is another example of the right wing news media and their audience taking the most extreme view and presenting it as the prevailing view - kind of like a special pleading fallacy - in order to create further fear and division. What defunding the police means to most demonstrators is cutting law enforcement budgets and putting more money into the kind of de-escalation training that veterans use in active combat situations, as well as community policing and an end to the War on Drugs. The bloody military has more restraint in enemy territory than many American police agencies do in civilian neighborhoods. Maybe the money saved could be used to pay teachers more, build community centers, and fund programs to alleviate the kind of poverty and despair that causes so many youth in poverty-stricken communities to turn to a life of crime.

Anyhow, I don’t know why I wasted my time writing all of this because I know that very few on this board are arguing in good faith. They aren’t letting evidence dictate their views, but rather letting their views dictate the evidence. I don’t currently live in the US, so I don’t have a dog in this fight, but my opinion is informed by the many Americans in my family and friends who I communicate with, in addition to extensive reading and closely following the situation as it has unfolded during the past 14 months.

BTW, several police officers died from suicide in the immediate aftermath of the January 6 insurrection, and one officer who had a stroke in the middle of the melee would probably be alive today if not for what happened at the Capitol. However, I’d like to know…when has a BLM protester killed a police officer during the course of a protest?

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Old 07-04-2021, 05:34 PM
 
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The Capitol rioters are as embarrassing, and detrimental to the cause for the right, as the BLM rioters are for the left.

Useful idiots on both sides.
But there are 1000x times more in the left, and far more damaging.
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Old 07-04-2021, 05:57 PM
 
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The examples I’ve bolded were also committed by the insurrectonists on January 6th, while they staged a violent takeover of the seat of American democracy because they were so unbelievably butt-hurt...
Might want to check your facts.

The purpose of the "riot" was to stop States from presenting their evidence of election fraud to the Senate. It was no coincidence the "riot" took place at the EXACT SAME TIME AS THE EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD WAS BEING PRESENTED TO THE SENATE. And the first person arrested in the Capitol was Antifa/BLM. The livestreams of the events of that day prove exactly what happened.
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Old 07-04-2021, 06:00 PM
 
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Might want to check your facts.

The purpose of the "riot" was to stop States from presenting their evidence of election fraud to the Senate. It was no coincidence the "riot" took place at the EXACT SAME TIME AS THE EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD WAS BEING PRESENTED TO THE SENATE. And the first person arrested in the Capitol was Antifa/BLM. The livestreams of the events of that day prove exactly what happened.
Not exactly. I think it was an attempt to force the GOP reps supporting the vote against the election to change their minds and every single one of them more or less did exactly did. It’s very possible the GOP set the whole thing up themselves
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