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Old 01-09-2021, 03:58 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Perhaps you could provide a link to these so called MAGA mob's posts that indicate that Trump "ordered" them to commit violence? How do you even know they were Trump supporters but leftists posing as them? Besides as I said, we are all only responsible for our own actions. If you think you have been encouraged to commit violence and you do it is you that is fault. We all have thinking brains you know and know the difference between right and wrong.
This is the most idiotic thing trumpers say. What benefit would it have for the left to attack the Capitol?
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Old 01-09-2021, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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He didn't.
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Old 01-09-2021, 03:59 PM
 
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If Trump had won....you wouldn't be saying that
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Old 01-09-2021, 06:50 PM
 
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He didn't.
If he had, CNN would be playing it on continuous loop.
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro Beach
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So, I’ve been hearing sources say that Trump encouraged the violence that happened at the Capitol Building.

When or where did he call for people to do this? Does anybody have a quote or a video?
Trump never did !
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:50 PM
 
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In his 4 years in the presidency, Donald Trump has held hundreds of rallies and political events across the nation, including several in Washington DC. In none of those events was there violence. In the long months in which left-wing groups such as ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter carried out acts of extreme violence, including burning of buildings, looting and destruction of businesses, occupation of central areas of cities and attacks on the police forces, the President's position and of the republican militants it was always, and without hesitation, the one in support of the Police, order and the Constitution. It is incongruous that, suddenly, a reversal of those principles and values ​​could occur to arrive at what we saw on Capitol Hill last January 6th.

Those developments call for a serious investigation, if one is possible when it comes to anything related to the President. The subjects we saw at the forefront of the riots do not resemble conservative militancy at all. We even saw several individuals who gave the impression of having been prepared for a confrontation with the police and equipped with helmets, plastic eye-shields and scarves to protect themselves from tear gas. Little publicized information revealed that they had found explosive devices at the headquarters of the Republican and Democratic National Committees in the capital and that, in addition, they discovered Molotov cocktails hidden in various places in Washington. Those who know those operational techniques of placing artifacts in the possible protest route know that they are typical of Antifa. I'm not going to speculate on who is responsible for what happened, but those of us who have lived under communist regimes know by heart the infiltration tactics in massive events to create violence, or induce it, using the passion of the participants in an event.

If it was Republican sympathizers who carried out the acts of violence, they must assume responsibility and the consequences of their actions because that is not the conservative philosophy to resolve discrepancies. However, at this time the gigantic hypocrisy of the Democratic leaders is striking, as they are now tearing their clothes for what happened while they kept a complicit silence in the face of the excesses committed by their sympathetic left-wing groups, which for months were causing disorder, destruction , looting and terrorizing the citizens of Seattle, Minneapolis and Portland.
The statements that we have heard from several of them really are a wake-up call for what they could do once they assume the almost absolutist powers that they will have as of January 20. Former President Obama called on social media to permanently veto Donald Trump. Several Democratic congressmen have called for legislators who supported the President to be removed from Congress. Extremism is rearing its head with dangerous overtones: The Union of Flight Attendants asked that the Airlines deny the return on their planes to supporters of the President who were in Washington.

What we are seeing, in political terms, is that the democratic image that the United States had was a mere veneer and that the totalitarian tendencies that occur in many Third World countries are present here and with a frightening force. Freedom of expression is dead. When people are killed for simply wearing a “Make America Great Again” cap, when citizens are afraid to put a political poster on their property or even a flag, when social media Twitter and Facebook claim authority ( and arrogance) to prohibit people from expressing their opinions on fraud in the presidential elections or to show their support for the President, when national newspapers put “taglines” on journalists' articles expressing positions parallel to those of the President, there is no doubt that we are already entering a downward spiral of totalitarian course.

Those of us who have experience and knowledge about totalitarian methods for the implantation of social terror and the imposition of silence on adversaries, are aware that the attacks and defamations that President Trump faced for 4 years, would have been suffered by any other President Republican. It is not about individuals but about ideology and political opinion. This has happened in each and every one of the countries that began the socialist path. As of January 20, I dare to predict that a witch hunt will begin, a constant and permanent attack against all Republican legislators, against all journalists, analysts and citizens who disagree with the philosophy of the left. The murder of character and the demonization of conservative values ​​and principles, despite being the basis of of the North American Constitution, they will be under permanent siege.

One of the consequences of the events in the Capitol is that it has given fuel to the left to set fire to their grudges and turn to ashes what was left of freedom of expression, and perhaps much more.
The other dire consequence is that it buried claims of election fraud in several crucial states. It's amazing that the judges in those states refused to give the fraud plaintiffs their day in court. Some seized on technical justifications and "standing" (representativeness) to prevent the evidence from being presented. In an event that reveals the probable cause of the judges' attitude, Georgia attorney Lin Wood, in a Twitter made public on January 2, accused Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Roberts, of having told the judge Stephen Breyer that he was not going to accept any lawsuit that might favor President Trump because he was not going to bear the responsibility for the damage that Antifa did. Attorney Wood challenged him to sue him for defamation if that conversation did not occur.

A single judge, in Antrim County, Michigan, was the one who granted a citizen request for a forensic audit of the voting machines. All those interested in the truth should read on the internet the Report of that Audit (Allied Security Operations Group, Antrim Michigan Forensics Report) which, summarily says that the Dominion Voting System machines and their software (program) are designed to commit fraud, that changed votes from Donald Trump to Biden and that they were connected to the internet (illegally). The experts, all with experience in federal agencies like the FBI, the Secret Service and the CIA, assure that the results of those voting machines are not reliable. Those voting machines were used in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona's Maricopa County (which gave Biden the victory).

In addition, the affidavits of more than 200 people who participated in the electoral process and who denounce various forms of fraud are available. It is inconceivable that an impeachment trial was made against the President based on the complaint of a single person (who remained anonymous) while the complaints of more than 200 witnesses who give their names are prevented from having a day in court. But that is not going to happen. The fraud has been buried by a combination of fear and control of the information of the big media chains.
This is definitely another America. The democratic veneer has evaporated. Bad times await us.
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:56 PM
 
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^ damn good post....and spot on
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Old 01-09-2021, 08:06 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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So, I’ve been hearing sources say that Trump encouraged the violence that happened at the Capitol Building.

When or where did he call for people to do this? Does anybody have a quote or a video?
Ill play.

When exactly did he tell them to keep it peaceful? It's called Sphere of influence. Good leaders know what it is and how it creates culture and how it impacts behaviors.

Trump for 2 months has been whipping his followers into a frenzy. He lost therefore it was stolen. He didn't need to say riot. or give specific direction. He made it an us against them and if they can steal an election we can fight back scenario. He created that, not BLM, Not Antifa, Not Pelosi or Schumer. The POTUS did it. He owns it.

At work we had a team working unsafe. People were getting hurt. Off quality went out the door. The Line manager pled innocent. LOL. "I never told them told them to cut corners or work unsafe, to cheat quality."

No she told them that unless they made goal +3% that there would be no more promotions and people were going to be written up for performance issues.

She was correct she never said to break the rules. What she did do was create an environment that rewarded breaking the rules, an environment of fear of failure and lost income. In short her sphere of influence created that environment. That manager was terminated. Long over due.

Trumps actions, his words, his constant lying about the election gave his followers permission to do what they did. He made them believe that he was behind them, that he supported any action against the establishment. After all the establishment stole the election from them.

Gullible people abound.
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Old 01-09-2021, 08:28 PM
 
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Ill play.

When exactly did he tell them to keep it peaceful? It's called Sphere of influence. Good leaders know what it is and how it creates culture and how it impacts behaviors.

Trump for 2 months has been whipping his followers into a frenzy. He lost therefore it was stolen. He didn't need to say riot. or give specific direction. He made it an us against them and if they can steal an election we can fight back scenario. He created that, not BLM, Not Antifa, Not Pelosi or Schumer. The POTUS did it. He owns it.

At work we had a team working unsafe. People were getting hurt. Off quality went out the door. The Line manager pled innocent. LOL. "I never told them told them to cut corners or work unsafe, to cheat quality."

No she told them that unless they made goal +3% that there would be no more promotions and people were going to be written up for performance issues.

She was correct she never said to break the rules. What she did do was create an environment that rewarded breaking the rules, an environment of fear of failure and lost income. In short her sphere of influence created that environment. That manager was terminated. Long over due.

Trumps actions, his words, his constant lying about the election gave his followers permission to do what they did. He made them believe that he was behind them, that he supported any action against the establishment. After all the establishment stole the election from them.

Gullible people abound.
So, of his 75 million voters about 200 heard this very secret and/or unspoken order for an unarmed swarm into the Capitol Building to protest the electoral vote? Doesn’t make sense to me but certainly it’s a tale the Dems/Media/Celebs are spinning.
Taking a wild guess the Dems will conjure some wacky impeachment charges (again) out of that ding-dong nonsense.

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Old 01-09-2021, 08:35 PM
 
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So, of his 75 million voters about 200 heard this very secret order for an unarmed swarm into the Capitol Building?
many heard and understood trump’s words. So much so he’s being impeached. The VP is considering the crazy card to remove him from office. Social media shuts him down for inciting violence. The courts refuted his frivolous law suits. The media called it as well. Btw not unarmed. Pipe bombs zip ties threats of hanging a VP.
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