Shouldn’t the voters be allowed to decide who they want for prez in 2024? (Ohio, house)
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It has to do with the wording of the associated Impeachment Clauses. So, Article II, section 4 of the Constitution states that the president, vice president and all civil officers "shall be removed from office" if they are impeached and convicted. Article I, section 3, clause 7, on the other hand says “judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”
What this means is that because of the word “shall”, if convicted they must be removed from office - no options. However, the other clause doesn’t have such definitive wording, meaning there is no requirement that they be disqualified to hold office again but that is an option that can be considered.
Additionally the constitution stipulates that it take 2/3 of the Senate to convict but since there is no constitutional stipulation of the required vote to disqualify that has been interpreted as only needing a simple majority.
I think everyone can agree it only makes sense that if the Democrats can convince 16 Republican senators to join them in convicting him they won’t hesitate to disqualify him from future office even if it means 50 (D) + VP Harris for and 50 (R) against. And, ahem, it won’t be 50 (R) against - Romney, at minimum, will join them.
Yeah, that bit I know. The OP made it sound as if that was Pelosi's specific motivation and that she'd said as much. Which I still beg leave to doubt extremely.
For 2016 I would have much rather voted for Mitt than Trump, but the powers that be decided to run Trump against Hilary. Just like the powers that be (DNC) decided to run Hilary instead of someone that was reasonable, the RNC decided the only person that could beat her was Trump. If we keep having these polar fringy candidates, it will attract the polar fringy candidates on the other side. The only reason Biden was chosen is because, demographically speaking, he was the only one that DNC thought could beat Trump.
Same thing happens on State level, just look at that spoiled rich brat conspiracy bro Josh Hawley claiming to be everyman's candidate in MO. The disaffected rednecks just ate it up because he spouted nonsense that sounded good to them.
Back then they didn't think that Trump had a chance against Clinton. They were probably thrilled when they knew he was running against her. Right after he won people were immediately talking about impeaching him.
Where is Nancy getting the part about Trump not being able to run again in 2024 if he is impeached? Is she talking legally or realistically? I do not recall anything barring an impeached POTUS from running for a second term. Anyone know what Nancy talking about?
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
There are a bunch of notes, but the bottom line is that this clause has been interpreted that beyond the removal from office, the Senate may further vote whether the impeached individual is now prevented from holding an office of public trust in the future.
81 million chose Biden, 74, 423,000 (not 75,000 -- in no math ever do you round up to 75,000,000 when you have 74,423,000).....
I'm not going to fuss with 2024 for a bit.
You do round up in certain cases, for example for whole persons, if you calculate 5.2 people for a given situation, you would round it up to six people since there is not a ".2" of a person.
In my experience, when someone breaks out the "bless your heart..." verbiage it means they've lost the argument.
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