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I guess Kristi Noem and President Trump were right:
9 million jobs lost, unrest across America, 42% of Americans consider themselves depressed and anxious and over 4 trillion of new debt.
Not to mention, COVID-19 was used as an excuse to directly give trillions to the millionaires and billionaires via special purpose vehicles and printing out of thin air.
Looks like at the rate of infection and lack of vaccine administration that a majority of Americans will have had it and the few who didn't get infected will have cross reactive T-Cells.
It's escalating fast now with 310,000 diagnosed cases and that's with only a fraction of those with COVID-19 getting tested because of lack of available ways to get a test.
It's all pretty much fallen apart at the worst time. The lockdowns create fatigue in November and December when immune systems were weakest, a vast majority of people were naturally inside and three major holidays.
We never locked down truly. Thats the problem. We did the "half pregnant" approach. With a pandemic you truly lock down all non-essential businesses nationwide. We never did that
We never locked down truly. Thats the problem. We did the "half pregnant" approach.
I agree that an Austrailian and Wuhan style lockdown would have drastically reduced the amount of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and mortality.
However, that never would have happened in America because it's a divided country and a majority of Americans are extremely selfish.
It is what it is and sadly the "half measured" just delayed it to the worst possible time which was winter with three holidays, weakened immune systems from the cold and dry air plus more transmission because of weather conditions.
I guess Kristi Noem and President Trump were right:
9 million jobs lost, unrest across America, 42% of Americans consider themselves depressed and anxious and over 4 trillion of new debt.
Not to mention, COVID-19 was used as an excuse to directly give trillions to the millionaires and billionaires via special purpose vehicles and printing out of thin air.
Looks like at the rate of infection and lack of vaccine administration that a majority of Americans will have had it and the few who didn't get infected will have cross reactive T-Cells.
It's escalating fast now with 310,000 diagnosed cases and that's with only a fraction of those with COVID-19 getting tested because of lack of available ways to get a test.
It's all pretty much fallen apart at the worst time. The lockdowns create fatigue in November and December when immune systems were weakest, a vast majority of people were naturally inside and three major holidays.
But remember during the initial partial mask-less lockdown, Trump was telling us that CV-19 was going to go away once the weather got warm. It was a gamble... do enough of a lockdown to keep hospitals from being overrun (as in NYC), but not so much that might lose votes in Nov. Add in exploitation of the mask issue to re-enforce the image of a President defending liberty. Then hope that warm weather would end the pandemic and that good therapeutics would be discovered to contain any reoccurrence in the fall.
After this experience, just imagine where we'll end up we encounter a more deadly virus. Biological terrorists have to be looking at our libertarian culture as the weak belly of the beast .
"Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms."
"There is no possibility of a vaccine being available in the first year. There is a fictional antiviral drug that can help the sick but not significantly limit spread of the disease."
I agree that an Austrailian and Wuhan style lockdown would have drastically reduced the amount of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and mortality.
However, that never would have happened in America because it's a divided country and a majority of Americans are extremely selfish.
It is what it is and sadly the "half measured" just delayed it to the worst possible time which was winter with three holidays, weakened immune systems from the cold and dry air plus more transmission because of weather conditions.
It never would happen in America but not because people are "selfish". We couldn't lock down wuhan style under any circumstances
We never locked down truly. Thats the problem. We did the "half pregnant" approach. With a pandemic you truly lock down all non-essential businesses nationwide. We never did that
But you started a whole thread about how California was doing it right about 3-4 weeks ago.
Remember that?
I linked the live webcam from Venice beach showing tons of maskless face to face crowds in real time and you made excuses.
I guess Kristi Noem and President Trump were right:
9 million jobs lost, unrest across America, 42% of Americans consider themselves depressed and anxious and over 4 trillion of new debt.
Not to mention, COVID-19 was used as an excuse to directly give trillions to the millionaires and billionaires via special purpose vehicles and printing out of thin air.
Looks like at the rate of infection and lack of vaccine administration that a majority of Americans will have had it and the few who didn't get infected will have cross reactive T-Cells.
It's escalating fast now with 310,000 diagnosed cases and that's with only a fraction of those with COVID-19 getting tested because of lack of available ways to get a test.
It's all pretty much fallen apart at the worst time. The lockdowns create fatigue in November and December when immune systems were weakest, a vast majority of people were naturally inside and three major holidays.
No...it's not all been for nothing. We've largely succeeded. In the beginning we locked everything down, which made sense for awhile so we'd have some time to prepare. Honestly, we might have kept things locked down for too long. Perhaps it would have been better to let it spread out a bit so people could build up resistance, making future lockdowns more effective.
(I was extremely in favor of keeping everything locked down because I assumed the plan was to have a system of staying locked down until the virus was at a trickle, and then opening everything up again, and shutting down local areas when outbreaks occurred there). We can't predict these things though.
Then, I think we might have made a reasonable decision by becoming more relaxed after summer's end...once it was shown that the virus wasn't exploding all over the place and flooding hospitals like I thought it would. Now, we've got a respectable amount of people with resistance to the virus built up...enough to help a little with future lockdowns.
Now, again, we're at the stage at which lockdowns and attempts to control the spread of the virus are at their most useful. There's a new version that they're saying might spread 1.5 times as quickly, or more. Now's the time to be concerned about flooding hospitals again. Locking things down is even more sensible because we already have a vaccine out, and the elderly people and medical workers are the first ones to get that (with the medical workers coming first).
We also, pretty clearly, need that $2000's people have been talking about. I can't think of anything better to spend that money on that helping the average citizen get by for a few more months.
The end really is in sight...or at least a time at which the most vulnerable members of our society and medical workers have all been vaccinated. After that, I'll have considerably fewer complaints about opening up everything.
"Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms."
"There is no possibility of a vaccine being available in the first year. There is a fictional antiviral drug that can help the sick but not significantly limit spread of the disease."
Everyone knew there was no possibility of a vaccine coming the first year. (actually...much to my surprise, it actually happened, so apparently it is possible. I may have to eat one of my socks, depending on what I may or may have promised if that happened). We were dealing with a new disease that spreads extremely rapidly. In that type of circumstance, caution is usually a pretty good idea.
You have no reason to believe that a covid vaccine does not exist. My aunt just got vaccinated a few days ago. She's a medical worker in retirement homes. To believe a covid vaccination does not exist means that you're so far out there that I have no idea how to bring you back to reality.
You're going into the Bent Bow pile. I suspect if I see more of your posts, I'll end up reading them as a source of amusement rather than having any hope of changing your mind.
Regardless of what other goals people had...you've got to see that there has been a sensible motive for attempting to slow the spread of the virus.
Last edited by Clintone; 01-09-2021 at 05:32 PM..
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