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Old 01-11-2021, 05:36 PM
 
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Hmm so PRIVATE companies are being equated to to German Nazi's? You know the way capitalism works is you don't have to use FB, AWS, Twitter if you don't want to. Those companies have every right to do what they want.
All these companies are on the same bandwagon. The hardware resources needed are enormous, so if Amazon doesn't let you on its cloud you will have trouble being heard.

Sure, everyone who agrees with the leftie censorship echoes just what you said. How would you feel if only conservative views were allowed?
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:38 PM
 
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George Orwell was a leftist. A socialist, in fact.

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Yes he was, but it doesn't matter, any ideology can lead to totalitarianism.
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:40 PM
 
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Nationalism can be globalist as well. Napoleon and Hitler were nationalists but that didn't stop them from trying to take over Europe.
All of the globalists alive today come from a nation and many of those people are proud of that association. When they become megalomaniacs and start working with others to take over the world, or to accumulate power in a way that effectively will result in the eradication of nations as the primary unit of power and government, then they become globalists.

There is nothing benevolent or humane about globalism. Internationalism allows for accommodation of different cultural values, languages, history, religions, etc. in a way that globalism flatly is not interested in even trying to do. Globalism is a totalitarian Orwellian nightmare that these elitist megalomaniacs want to impose on EVERYONE, whether they want it or not - because they get to be in charge.

Everyone else can suffer, die or whatever, they literally could not care less, except to the extent that it is their long-term goal to reduce the Earth's population to about 500 million from over 7 billion today. So actually they do care, in that a lot of people dying by whatever means would be real "progress" in the eyes of these
so-called "progressives".
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:41 PM
 
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It's on my shelf, I'm old-school. Danish translation as well.
Yeah, I have a hard copy too. But I thought some people might be more likely to read it if they could download it for free and read it on their smartphones.
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:42 PM
 
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George Orwell quote on Nationalism

“Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.â€
Orwell chose to define it that way, but that is not a generally agreed on definition. Orwell believed in some kind of utopian communism, which did not include nations.
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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You are welcome. There are hundreds of some of the greatest books ever written that you can download for free like this and read on your smartphone, tablet or PC.
And for those who like old-fashioned "real" books, Better World Books is an online site that sells used books very cheaply, and many (if not most) with free shipping!
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:44 PM
 
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And for those who like old-fashioned "real" books, Better World Books is a site that sells used books very cheaply.
Or ebay. Or if you are into the whole retail store thing, Half-Price Books.
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:47 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I have them (1984 and animal Farm) on Kindle, but I just ordered them in print. Anything that the left doesn't like, or will not like in the future, I am ordering in print. The words of the founders, history of all the wars we've fought, works by people like Booker T. Washington and other blacks that were successful in the Victorian era, our founding and colonial documents, etc.

Anything digital can be easily scrubbed or altered.
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:52 PM
 
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Yes indeed. Which is why he had such a clear vision for where this was going and the horror show that it promised to become.
Orwell was thinking of Stalinism in the Soviet Union. He didn't blame the totalitarianism on socialism, he blamed it on Stalin. I think he was wrong, I think Stalin did his best to create a good society, but it is not something that can be forced.

In 1984, the rulers are evil just because they love to have power. I don't think that's why Stalin was evil.
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:54 PM
 
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Orwell was thinking of Stalinism in the Soviet Union. He didn't blame the totalitarianism on socialism, he blamed it on Stalin. I think he was wrong, I think Stalin did his best to create a good society, but it is not something that can be forced.

In 1984, the rulers are evil just because they love to have power. I don't think that's why Stalin was evil.
OK. Why do you think Stalin was evil? And he was evil.
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