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Old 01-14-2021, 02:24 PM
 
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Why is everyone discussing UBI like it's a real part of Yang's platform? NYC doesn't print its own money. We can't borrow extra unless Cuomo (or whoever will be the new gov) approves. The millionaires that are supposed to be taxed to raise extra money can pick up and go even further than Yang does when he doesn't like it here. Where is that money supposed to come from???

I'm also doubtful about the way it's planned. In total agreement with Dave 92 LSC about how this can be good - and should be a basic right. But IMO what we need is guaranteed housing, schooling (including college) and health care. Not just handing people money. Because what that will get us is more bored teens with fireworks and guns and fewer people actually working. Heck, I like my job, but if someone's going to hand me $2,000 for puttering around the house... ding, NYC has one essential worker less. I've had it up to here doing my paperwork past 2 AM and I want my break.
Don't worry about Yang, you need to talk to your supervisor
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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But why are you not upset about billions sent to foreign countries???
Statements like this are flat out stupid.

How do you know he doesn't?

Is the internet debate standard that we must make a comment then link to a document listing all of our policy positions on every topic or else risk being called a hypocrite?

Do you hold yourself to such a ridiculous standard?
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:30 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Because people think lower-income people are out to rob them on the streets, keep them working at McDonalds so we can come on C-D and thumb our noses at 'em

But lets give money to Sudan and Israel

So hypocritical
Really though? Or is it because that's not the topic at hand so the poster just didn't mention that? This is why our country is falling apart. Internet debate is childish and unstructured. People can say whatever they want and feel empowered, even when what they said makes little to no sense at all.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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My parents are from USSR, grew up and lived there. In many ways their quality of life was a lot better than here. And like here, during the soviet times, if you knew how to get ahead you got ahead. New car, new apartment, house? No problem. Pops had it all. You just had to know how to pay people off and be a good fella. And there were a lot of those.

Education was top notch, medical care as well. Oh and only one person worked. Best of wall, friendships and relations between people was something that will never happen again, not here thats for sure.

People think communist countries were like gulags. Not true.

Capitalism cant be around for too long without socialism. Its just cant. You cant pay people $10 an hour while banking billions. Wont last long.
Lol.

Millions upon millions of people died and/or lived as total paupers while you lived it up because you father knew the right people. I have in the past, and will again take up arms to ensure such a system never takes hold here.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:35 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Btw, I don't care if he was handing out a grand a month. It's not worth subjecting my children to leftist indoctrination and a lack of proper schooling. We're leaving regardless!
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:38 PM
 
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Because UBI does nothing to help support the economy as it takes from those to work to earn and gives to those who don't.

Encourages people not to work.
That is the democrats plan !!!
It keeps people on their plantation of perpetual support !!! It won't make for a great country unless lazy with the hand out is admirable !!! The sad end is they run out of other peoples money far sooner than they realize and then what ? Its a race to the bottom !!!
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:41 PM
 
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Rather than UBI, think offering a small basic apartment with rent pro-rated on income. Enough for anybody wanting one, not just some slum hirise building that you have to wait for years to get considered. This idea of concentrating the poor to one place simply not a good idea.


With UBI, what you will get is slum lords raising low end rent to eat it up, like some do now when elderly get a small rise in their SS checks. Capitalism is good at grasping at any unclaimed as of yet money they see, especially govt money.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:41 PM
 
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That is the democrats plan !!!
It keeps people on their plantation of perpetual support !!! It won't make for a great country unless lazy with the hand out is admirable !!! The sad end is they run out of other peoples money far sooner than they realize and then what ? Its a race to the bottom !!!
This country brainwashes everybody into thinking they can become a millionaire by working hard, yet most public high schools don't even teach basic finance courses. Working stupid is more like it.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:42 PM
 
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Rather than UBI, think offering a small basic apartment with rent pro-rated on income. Enough for anybody wanting one, not just some slum hirise building that you have to wait for years to get considered. This idea of concentrating the poor to one place simply not a good idea.


With UBI, what you will get is slum lords raising low end rent to eat it up, like some do now when elderly get a small rise in their SS checks. Capitalism is good at grasping at any unclaimed as of yet money they see, especially govt money.
So who will be the landlord that takes rent according to a percentage of income? What happens if real estate taxes skyrocket? Electric bills go through the roof?
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:46 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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My parents are from USSR, grew up and lived there. In many ways their quality of life was a lot better than here. And like here, during the soviet times, if you knew how to get ahead you got ahead. New car, new apartment, house? No problem. Pops had it all. You just had to know how to pay people off and be a good fella. And there were a lot of those.
Was that like the mafia or something?
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