Left Wing Liberals - Angry, Hateful, Vengeful & About You Right Wing Conservatives...... (Al Franken, ethical)

[#1NascarFan]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

And you did not have the option to register liberal or conservative.
Unaffiliated is a valid option, hence the "etc." in my post.
Purposely obtuse much?
No, I guess you're just too smart for me to understand.

You are hopelessly glued to whatever your cult is preaching. Sorry, I cannot help you any further.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

And you did not have the option to register liberal or conservative.

There is not an independent party registration

[#1NascarFan]

Originally Posted by Magnulus

I don't believe you are actually an Obama supporter at all, but maybe I'm wrong. Otherwise, please explain your remarks about the Rev. Wright? I don't think Rev. Wright was spreading "fear, anger, or hatred", but his speech definitely was not the most "politically correct" and many Americans wouldn't understand his point of view. Obama essentially had to ditch Rev. Wright, because most Americans can't understand the African-American church, and Rev. Wright made it worse with his remarks about Obama, which did nothing to help him or Obama at all (and were very unfortunate).

Obama isn't running as a black establishment candidate and I think he's made that clear from day one, so he will cut anybody off that tries to make this a racial issue, which Rev. Wright most certainly did. I think most people were willing to let Wright have one freebie, but he blew it by having his conference in Washington and slandering Obama's character and trying to make Obama's political candidacy a litmus test on race.

Olbermann is a former sports anchor and he's a sports fan. He's not a bitter person, he just makes a living giving news and his opinions, the same as many news anchors now days.

Rev Jeramiah Wrong's hate filled, anti American, anti White, keep Blacks down speech has nothing to do with Mr. Obama. I credit Mr. Obama with not taking the easy route in the beginning, which most other politicians would have done. He knows that Jeramiah Wrong has changed his tone in recent years to be a hate monger, but did not throw him under the bus, because of the previous good he had done. But now Jeramiah Wrong has had power go to his head and is fearful of Mr. Obama becoming President, as it will undermine his "White people suck and will always keep the Black people down" hate monger speeches he is pumping out, which is lining his wallet with millions of dollars.......(see huge mansion and luxury GAS GUZZLING car he owns ). Ya, he is down with the struggle. HA!!!

I do not support all of Mr. Obama's positions, but I never have in any candidiate. That is impossible for any "independent" thinker. As a whole, I completely support Mr. Obama and I think he is exactly what this country needs now.

As far as your Olbermann comments. What the heck are you watching? All I see him do is scream hateful things about President Bush and Republicans into the camera like some mad man. I disagree with at least 75% of President Bush's policies, but you DO NOT disrespect the office of the President of the United States that way. Olbermann is completely and utterly disgraceful.

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

Once again, another Lib who cannot post something without insulting those not in his cult.

I have been searching high and low. Please provide several sources of liberals that are not angry and throwing hate balls at non-liberals. I would finally love to hear from some that can maintain a normal conversation.

You sit here complaining and whining about no one being able to see things as "clearly" and "independent" as yourself then you make statements such as these?

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

chielgirl, once again, I will try to educate you, as you obviously need it. On my voter registration, it does not state "Democrat" or "Republican". For me it states "Unaffiliated". I am unaware of a party called "Unaffiliated". I am independant, because I am unaffiliated with any group that will twist my thought to fit their very biased agenda, either Democrat, Republican, Liberal or Conservative.

Can I make it any clearer than this for you or do you need yet another lesson?

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

You are hopeless glued to whatever your cult is preaching. Sorry, I cannot help you any further.

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

As an Independent, I am free to see things clearly, without being misled by some left or right wing group. I am free to make my own decisions on issues, rather than following the headmaster on a particular group. My vision is clear and my thoughts are crisp.

You may be registered as an independent but you are VERY FAR from objective nor are you using "clear" thinking. What you are doing here is trolling. You state you are an independent yet you flame every liberal that posts, yet I don't see you make much mention of conservative types, why is that? In either case, I personally don't care what your political flavor is, nor that of anyone, as it takes enough of my time finding my own path. What is nice to see (since it is so rare) is watching conservatives, liberals, trotskyist, socialist, whateverist argue their positions on how they see or would approach a given subject and let the chips fall as they may. Starting threads with, "Liberals/Conservatives - Angry, hateful, vengeful, etc... and then arguing one side is rather disingenuous, don't you think?

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

The right wing conservatives are so damn stubborn. For the most part, with some exceptions, the conservative side will actually deal with the issues. The problem is they are so stubborn, they refuse to believe anything typically non-conservative is good. There is no room for someone unlike them. Very close minded.

Um, they are conservative. There's no doubt you haven't read Edmund Burke. Conservatives are not opposed to change, they are opposed to radical change. If you've read the scientific data on stressors, they physically and emotionally damaging to people when sudden changes occur.
Conservatives like incremental changes, small steps that don't frighten people, and which can be studied to determine which direction to take next and whether nor not the plan needs altering.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

Yes, I can.

I do not believe the government should manage any system in our economy, as they do a very poor job. I believe the private sector does a much better job in this area.

That makes you an economic liberal, like the majority of Republicans and a small group of Democrats.

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

This single act, if done aggresively will easily move us where we need to go with conservation and alternative fuel sources (NOT ETHANOL). I do not say eliminate SUV's or trucks. It is possible to greatly increase efficiencies if forced to do so.

At what cost?

The problem now is that there is no leadership at any level of government. You want to sink money into hydrogen cells only to find out later there's a more efficient method? That's an incredibly wasteful use of resources.

If you were knowledgeable about economics, then you'd know that economies of scale impact prices.

You just don't understand that you're married to oil for the rest of your life. You want to cut reliance on foreign imports like Neo-bama-con and Ron Paul? I just hope you're prepared to pay high prices for everything or do without, perhaps even lose your job.

It's precisely because the US uses 20 Million barrels of oil per day that an economy of scale exists to give you cheap feed stocks for your prescription drugs, over-the-counter drugs, health and beauty aids, soaps, shampoos, body oils/lotions, cosmetics, the triethanolomine and neodol in your laundry detergent, and all the pretty inks and dies in your packaging and clothes, plus all things plastic. All those things, and more, are made from oil.

Cut the supply, while the demand remains constant, and the price goes up.

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

I like Mr. Obama's plan best of all. Tax breaks to companies that keep jobs in this country and tax increases to companies that go overseas.

One reason jobs are going overseas is because Americans have refused to buy products that are made in the USA, because they're more expensive. You're left with subsidizing those businesses (which means your tax dollars are going to shareholders), or using protectionist trade tariffs, which can invite retaliation by other countries (which is what caused the Great Depression).

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

I believe in a guaranteed college education for every single American that is willing to work for it. NOT FREE, but guaranteed. If the students grades are acceptable, I would provide a 100% loan to the student in roughly the amount of a state university tuition, so they can attend.

That's actually a position espoused by ultra-conservatives. Seed money starts a self-perpetuating fund, and the money is repaid with 1.5% (instead of 8%-10%) interest/fee to cover the administrative costs and overhead to manage the loan program, issue loans and recover monies, plus a mechanism to allow waivers for those who lose their jobs or suffer other setbacks (through no fault of their own).

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

This keeps competition between the schools, so they do not jack up tuition costs.

Obviously, you haven't been on a college campus in quite a long time, if ever. The difference between 2001 and today is Wi-Fi, IT and connectivity. That's why tuition costs have skyrocketed. All dormitories had to be re-wired first for internet connectivity, and now the schools are spending money to wire them for Wi-Fi in order to be competitive with other schools. All classrooms have been modified for connectivity and pod casting, web-casting and new classroom furniture installed so that desks have electrical outlets for laptops and new electrical wiring, plus the IT contracts and employees necessary to maintain it all.

[Magnulus]

Originally Posted by #1NascarFan

. But now Jeramiah Wrong has had power go to his head and is fearful of Mr. Obama becoming President, as it will undermine his "White people suck and will always keep the Black people down" hate monger speeches he is pumping out, which is lining his wallet with millions of dollars.......

I think it's far simpler than that. Rev. Wright became an overnight celebrity after years of obscurity and tried to use Obama's campaign to get media attention for issues he thought was important, but that Obama didn't necessarily think were all that important. Hijacking the campaign, in short.

I do not support all of Mr. Obama's positions, but I never have in any candidiate. That is impossible for any "independent" thinker.

You don't have to support any or all positions of a candidate. You just need to figure out which one you think will do the most good and least harm.

As far as your Olbermann comments. What the heck are you watching? All I see him do is scream hateful things about President Bush and Republicans into the camera like some mad man.

I've got news for you. I detest Bush. Not on a deeply personal level. I think he'd make a good burger flipper or fratboy friend. I just think he makes a horrible leader and president. The guy isn't intelligent. Unfortunately, he's also burdened with arrogance and self-righteous certainty. That's three strikes against him.

I disagree with at least 75% of President Bush's policies, but you DO NOT disrespect the office of the President of the United States that way. Olbermann is completely and utterly disgraceful.

I don't have to disrespect the presidency, he's done a great job of that himself. George Bush has basicly turned the office into TP for his little messes. Clinton screwed Lewinski in the whitehouse. George Bush screwed America in the Whitehouse.

[Elmonellie]

Originally Posted by laysayfair

You're describing me when I was a liberal. It was all emotion and raving and going around in circles. And I was always in the right because "I CARED MORE THAN OTHER PEOPLE". That was my raison d'etre- "TO BE MORE EVOLVED THEN THOU". To this day when I have to hear a liberal rant and rave, I think to myself that I deserve it, because it's exactly what I did, exactly what I used to dish out.

Oh, this is such a spot on observation! When I was in my early 20's I just DID care more than those evil right wingers. So funny to think about it now. Just like that old saying about if you aren't liberal when you are young you don't have a heart and if you are still a liberal when you are old you don't have a brain....well, that is a *******sed up mis-quote if there ever was one, but you get the point.

When I heard Michelle Obama refer to America as "mean" I nearly hurled. Sounded very, very child like and self righteous. Like a 16 year old after their first "fill in the blank" protest.

Or MY VERY FAVORITE silly, silly liberal quote. From that brainiac Howard Dean...something in the lines of: Democrats CARE that little kids go to bed hungry! Makes my mind whirl. What, this guy is like 60 years old and still sounds like a dippy 14 year old.

Oh, and then there is Mr. Uber-Evolved: Al Gore! He is such an enormous load. I think more moderate liberals are actually beginning to think....Hey, maybe the debate ain't over about global warming, ooooooops I meant CLIMATE CHANGE.

Also for a real hoot, try to listen to what passes as liberal (ooooops, I keep forgetting, they now want to be called progressive) radio. The remnants of Air America is a supreme example of your point. One host is more outraged than the next. Of course it is just delicious now as they are eating their own with Hill and Obammy!!!

[Elmonellie]

Originally Posted by Magnulus

I'm down with Keith. He's OK. Yes, he's an unapologetic polemicist, but at least he's a counterpoint to Rush. And he's clean and articulate, with a good vocabulary, something I can't say about Rush, who seems to resort to simple demagoguery. I'm waiting for Rush to just call us all "******s" and "pansies" and be done with it. At least Olberman and gang come up with something clever beyond pandering to the most base instincts of their listeners.

Alot of us didn't discovered how liberal we were until after George Bush got all fired up.

The fact that you find Olberman "clever" is interesting. He does give it the old college try, but honestly, the man is not very clever.

I've started listening to Rush after that flap with the auctioned off letter that made Harry Reid look like a boob. I don't agree with some of his views but that boy is clever. Funny. Great broadcaster. Really good bits and production values for radio. You can call it base, but the guy has talent. I try to listen to the remnants of that pathetic air america and most of those shows try to rip off Rush's bits. Instead of being clever, these attempts are cringe inducing.

Oh, well....I'll take Dennis Prager or Michael Medved over any of those otherguys right or left any day. Those two are wonderful debaters. Especially Prager.

[Magnulus]

Originally Posted by Mircea

Um, they are conservative. There's no doubt you haven't read Edmund Burke. Conservatives are not opposed to change, they are opposed to radical change.

That's true but the definition of "conservative" in the US often includes political reactionaries. These are people who believe things were better in the past and fiercely resist change and compromise. Rush Limbaugh, Patrick McHenry, Tom Coburn, or Bill Frist are good examples of political reactionaries. John McCain or Joe Lieberman are examples of conservatives. Hillary Clinton is a centrist, and Obama is centrist-liberal.