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Old 01-16-2021, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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This is where we are people. No longer a world leader, no longer respected, no longer reliable.

Terrific analysis here:
Quote:
  • a fear of America’s weakness
  • most Europeans are skeptical that the new president will restore America’s global leadership.
  • A majority of citizens in every single country surveyed are convinced that in the next 10 years, China will overtake the United States as the leading global power.
  • Americans can no longer be trusted as a predictable ally.
  • the pro-Trump rioters’ attack on Congress was the president’s last but also most effective attack on America’s alliances.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/o...t-all-surfaces
Four short years of abominable leadership has done more to destroy this country internationally than an actual war would have.

 
Old 01-16-2021, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Various
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Originally Posted by Ariadne22 View Post
This is where we are people. No longer a world leader, no longer respected, no longer reliable.

Terrific analysis here:Four short years of abominable leadership has done more to destroy this country internationally than an actual war would have.
The opinion piece contains no analysis. Just some opinions... Everyone's got them.

He opines about the Capitol Police inability to contain the rioters as one of his key elements yet neglects to mention the months long inability and lack of interest in protecting major cities from the left. That was truly unbelievable to most of the world, oh and letting a few IT nerds control access to information.
 
Old 01-16-2021, 01:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Aussiehoff View Post
The opinion piece contains no analysis. Just some opinions... Everyone's got them.

He opines about the Capitol Police inability to contain the rioters as one of his key elements yet neglects to mention the months long inability and lack of interest in protecting major cities from the left. That was truly unbelievable to most of the world, oh and letting a few IT nerds control access to information.
Don’t read much international news do you?
 
Old 01-16-2021, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Various
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Don’t read much international news do you?
An enormous amount, but I admit I do filter out opinion pieces from Liberal think tanks. But what did I say that triggered you?
 
Old 01-16-2021, 03:57 AM
 
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People are laughing because Trump was more productive than any President in the history of America.
Also he brought more peace to the world than anyone in history, started no wars, and brokered Peace Deals between Serbia-Kosovo, Israel-United Arab Emirates, Israel-Bahrain, Israel-Sudan, Israel-Morocco, Saudi Arabia-Qatar.

President Trump's Achievements:
01-10:
https://i.imgur.com/3U3lDRh.jpg
11-20:
https://i.imgur.com/7EXpxo5.jpg
21-30:
https://i.imgur.com/Dtld0c6.jpg
31-40:
https://i.imgur.com/Q46QLKZ.jpg
41-50:
https://i.imgur.com/0SlFDym.jpg
51-60:
https://i.imgur.com/QUJtQYY.jpg
61-70:
https://i.imgur.com/tAXzthk.jpg
71-80:
https://i.imgur.com/qwkmEEs.jpg
81-90:
https://i.imgur.com/dDgkXVk.jpg
91-100:
https://i.imgur.com/X1SXk3O.jpg
101-110:
https://i.imgur.com/Q1Q0ty6.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/giQKMUr.jpg
121-130:
https://i.imgur.com/ZBWRY8P.jpg
131-135:
https://i.imgur.com/TN64Bg7.jpg
 
Old 01-16-2021, 04:11 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by Ariadne22 View Post
This is where we are people. No longer a world leader, no longer respected, no longer reliable.

Terrific analysis here:Four short years of abominable leadership has done more to destroy this country internationally than an actual war would have.
I really don't think the situation is as bad as portrayed by the NY Times.

In terms of the US Military it's an impressive force, and the US is a powerful nation, and Trump was right to call on other nations to do more in terms of their defence gdp.

NATO is important, and allows nations to work closely together, other areas such as Intelligence and security are also important.

It is however only through working together and forming alliances throughout the democratic world that Chinese dominance can be curtailed.

Whether you like Biden or not, his job is now one of trying to bring nations together, and for the US to play a leading role.

The European and Anglosphere nations should be at the heart of such alliances, along with other westernised nations such as Japan, South Korea, Singapore etc.

Other nations such as India may also be important in trying to tip the global scales in relation to Chinese power and it's belt and road initiative.
 
Old 01-16-2021, 04:16 AM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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People are laughing because Trump was more productive than any President in the history of America.
Also he brought more peace to the world than anyone in history, started no wars, and brokered Peace Deals between Serbia-Kosovo, Israel-United Arab Emirates, Israel-Bahrain, Israel-Sudan, Israel-Morocco, Saudi Arabia-Qatar.
I live abroad and in an expat community. No one is talking about any of these things. They're talking about the COVID disaster, the job loss, the riots over the summer, the capitol insurrection... The violence. The frayed alliances. The sheer ineptitude of Trump and his appointees.

I do think America can get back on the right track; I think it will. I still want to return, sooner than later. But, most of the world is looking at America with a mixture of pity and bemusement. Trump personified everything that the rest of the world didn't like about the US. One thing that he did do, was show many of the countries that poo-poo'ed us and took our friendship for granted that they did indeed rely on us perhaps more than they should have. Since he did so by trampling our agreements and partnerships, rather than bringing them to the table, he just pushed them towards our rivals.

And yet people like you somehow think he improved our global standing : smack:
 
Old 01-16-2021, 04:24 AM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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Originally Posted by Brave New World View Post
I really don't think the situation is as bad as portrayed by the NY Times.

In terms of the US Military it's an impressive force, and the US is a powerful nation, and Trump was right to call on other nations to do more in terms of their defence gdp.

NATO is important, and allows nations to work closely together, other areas such as Intelligence and security are also important.

It is however only through working together and forming alliances throughout the democratic world that Chinese dominance can be curtailed.

Whether you like Biden or not, his job is now one of trying to bring nations together, and for the US to play a leading role.

The European and Anglosphere nations should be at the heart of such alliances, along with other westernised nations such as Japan, South Korea, Singapore etc.

Other nations such as India may also be important in trying to tip the global scales in relation to Chinese power and it's belt and road initiative.
I've read some articles which are way too fatalistic. The EU has been holding China at arm's length and no one expects them to live up to their end of the trade deal, but, well, look at the US right now. Once Biden is back in office and puts in the effort to rebuild bridges, it will get better.

Japan and Korea are pretty much just waiting patiently for Biden to get back to work. We will continue to work with Australia and Canada. As long as we can keep working to weed out extremism and can elect another statesman-like leader during the next election cycle (be it Biden or a more qualified republican), then the US will certainly gain back a significant amount of its standing.

One thing that also helps the US' cause is that nobody likes China. Its global relations and PR are terrible; were it not for Trump's fantastically-inept foreign policy, China would have taken a much bigger hit in influence than it did after COVID. Way to make America great again...
 
Old 01-16-2021, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I always find it amusing when dopey liberals feign outrage over junk like this. A lot of them always post crap about how Europe and Canada are so much better than backward azz America because we dont adopt socialism. And going on and on about how The US is an imperialistic, evil, empire, that needs to bow down to the UN, Are now suddenly ultra patriots when we become a so called laughingstock. I can only assume that they would be much better off if they hate America rather than laugh at us...right?
 
Old 01-16-2021, 05:02 AM
 
Location: EU
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I'm in the EU. This is actually the total opposite of how most intelligent European analysts view the situation. For starters, if any of the Eastern EU countries held an election like the US just did, the American government would be all over us, lecturing us about fair elections. It's not surprising that mail-in voting is banned in the EU except for absentee voters residing in foreign countries. The 2020 US election was a laughing stock. Mail-in voting for a 350 million country... It's a joke.

NYT thinks that the EU want more US world policing? It was a breath of fresh air for us that there were no new wars in the previous 4 years! Do you really think Europeans needed the 2015 migrant crisis that resulted from the idiotic warmonger politics of Bush and Obama which destabilized the Middle-East. Thanks, but we had enough of that.

The Jan.6. event at the Capitol didn't shock Europeans as much as the US media tries to make a drama out of it. We have been watching the news all summer long of your burning cities. Some idiots walking into the Capitol was not much of a shock after that.

The EU is much more worried about the emerging Big Tech censorship right now and some countries have already started to implement preventative measures against election interfering from your monopolistic social media companies. Antitrust investigations against Amazon, FB and Google have been on-going anyway in the past 10 years. The EU won't take that issue as lightly as the US.
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