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Old 01-17-2021, 06:58 PM
 
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I hope you're not suggesting we continue a system that pays less than livable wages to the lowest earners out of a theoretical fear that paying those wages might slightly speed up automation that will take place anyway.

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I suggest we maintain MW as is, plus annual increases of 2-2.5% tied to an index, and not subject to grand-standing political votes.

Long-term, the people at such jobs need to use them as entry level jobs for their high school or SS supplemental income years.

No one at a MW job needs others depending on them. If they messed up the order of gaining education and skills before adding dependents, that is on them. No one else.

PS: I am indifferent to other nations situations. Each is unique.
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Old 01-17-2021, 07:16 PM
 
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You failed to answer my question. All you offered in response was idle speculation.

If low skilled workers are being lied off in Arkansas, then why is the unemployment rate higher in Texas than it is in Arkansas?
Would you pay $11 for something that is worth $10?

Your comparison is simply meaningless. If you truly want to compare, you would compare companies in the same industry.

All of these discussions are also meaningless because you must first explain why you want to force free people to do what you want? Are the people your slaves?
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Old 01-17-2021, 07:18 PM
 
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I suggest we maintain MW as is, plus annual increases of 2-2.5% tied to an index, and not subject to grand-standing political votes.

Long-term, the people at such jobs need to use them as entry level jobs for their high school or SS supplemental income years.

No one at a MW job needs others depending on them. If they messed up the order of gaining education and skills before adding dependents, that is on them. No one else.

PS: I am indifferent to other nations situations. Each is unique.
The real minimum was, has always been, and will always be zero!

Pretty hard concept to understand, isn’t it?

No individual or government force can control the real cost of goods and services. That’s a basic rule of economics.
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Old 01-17-2021, 07:21 PM
 
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Why does Joe Biden want to make it illegal for businesses to hire workers who earn less than $15/hr? It is because he hates low wage workers and wants to make life as difficult as possible for them? Does he want to force businesses that can't pay $15/hr to close their businesses? Is he just a moron and has no understanding of basic economics? What is his motivation for wanting to make it illegal for current minimum wage workers to trade their time for a paycheck???
The minimum wage law is simply legitimating more low skilled workers out of jobs. The more people are unemployed, the more they would vote for democrats.

Both freedom and the country can go to hell!
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Old 01-17-2021, 07:32 PM
 
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I suggest we maintain MW as is, plus annual increases of 2-2.5% tied to an index, and not subject to grand-standing political votes.

Long-term, the people at such jobs need to use them as entry level jobs for their high school or SS supplemental income years.

No one at a MW job needs others depending on them. If they messed up the order of gaining education and skills before adding dependents, that is on them. No one else.

PS: I am indifferent to other nations situations. Each is unique.
It's fair to want to peg min. wage to some sort of index (cost of living, inflation, which one could be argued). I'd argue a one time bump to bring it back in line with cost of living increases over the years is needed.

I always found it odd when people ignore what has worked other places. (And I'm not saying this to be critical of you personally, a LOT of people on this forum disagree with my views, but you're always objective/fair in those disagreements.) One of the complaints you hear on the left side of the isle is that the GOP has pushed propaganda against worker rights for decades. That people say the US is so different nothing that's worked elsewhere can be applied to here comes across as a very odd line of though to many. Nearly all major countries have found ways to grant more worker protections than the US, and (in my opinion) we leave a lot on the table to ignore what can be learned from them.
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Old 01-17-2021, 07:38 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Does Joe Biden Hate Low Wage Workers?
Don't be ridiculous. Everyone hates low wage workers - they even hate themselves. Why President Biden should suddenly be in love with them is beyond me..

He wants their vote, that's all. He doesn't care anything about them, and nor should he. If people want to be "cared about" they should learn and grow and become major contributors.
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Old 01-17-2021, 08:18 PM
 
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Don't be ridiculous. Everyone hates low wage workers - they even hate themselves. Why President Biden should suddenly be in love with them is beyond me..

He wants their vote, that's all. He doesn't care anything about them, and nor should he. If people want to be "cared about" they should learn and grow and become major contributors.
Well said.
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Old 01-17-2021, 09:23 PM
 
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It's fair to want to peg min. wage to some sort of index (cost of living, inflation, which one could be argued). I'd argue a one time bump to bring it back in line with cost of living increases over the years is needed.

I always found it odd when people ignore what has worked other places. (And I'm not saying this to be critical of you personally, a LOT of people on this forum disagree with my views, but you're always objective/fair in those disagreements.) One of the complaints you hear on the left side of the isle is that the GOP has pushed propaganda against worker rights for decades. That people say the US is so different nothing that's worked elsewhere can be applied to here comes across as a very odd line of though to many. Nearly all major countries have found ways to grant more worker protections than the US, and (in my opinion) we leave a lot on the table to ignore what can be learned from them.
How is it in anyway fair to force other people to pay for a wage they don’t want to pay voluntarily?

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Old 01-18-2021, 03:32 PM
 
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McDonalds will just put in electronic machines to take orders and many others to cut corners and many will lose jobs.
McDonalds here already put those machines in. They aren't being used though since the fast food places are still drive thru only, over ten months later.
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Old 01-18-2021, 03:34 PM
 
Location: southern california
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No but like most elites he is not fond of small Anglo owned business- curiously which are his tax base
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