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Old 01-21-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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Biden's tax increases will reduce GDP, according to PWBM (I posted the link earlier in the thread). That subsequently reduces tax revenues, as historical data clearly shows. So... answer the question. How does Biden plan on paying down debt with a decrease in tax revenue?
We are getting circular.

Debt is not paid down initially during the time period when GPD shrinks. Debt grows.

Debt is paid down later when GDP grows.

It’s almost like we are speaking different languages here.

Does this not make sense to you? I’m not sure how else to say it.
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Old 01-21-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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You realize that tax cuts, (in this case, the Trump tax cuts) actually increase tax revenue. Federal tax revenue increased in both 2018 and 2019.
1. Didn't it drop as a percentage of the GDP?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ge-of-the-gdp/

2. And how did paying down the debt go?

https://www.thebalance.com/national-...events-3306287



P.S. Lastly, how do you know what would have happened to the tax revenue if there were no tax cut?
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Old 01-21-2021, 01:28 PM
 
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We are getting circular.

Debt is not paid down initially during the time period when GPD shrinks. Debt grows.

Debt is paid down later when GDP grows.
Which won't happen if Biden's planned tax increases are implemented, according to PWBM.

Here's the data, again:

From PWBM...

Chart: Economic Effects of Biden's Tax Plan

Full report: https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.ed...x-plan-updated
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Old 01-21-2021, 01:33 PM
 
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Which won't happen if Biden's planned tax increases are implemented, according to PWBM.

Here's the data, again:

From PWBM...

Chart: Economic Effects of Biden's Tax Plan

Full report: https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.ed...x-plan-updated
Now I get it. You’re not citing data from the link I provided. While I have not dug into what the differences are, you should be referencing the latest version, don’t you agree?

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GDP decreases by 0.4 percent in 2030, sees no change in 2040, and increases by 0.8 percent in 2050.

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Old 01-21-2021, 01:57 PM
 
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Now I get it. You’re not citing data from the link I provided. While I have not dug into what the differences are, you should be referencing the latest version, don’t you agree?
They're from the same source, PWBM, but look at the headings. They're different. Your link analyzes Biden's platform. The link I posted gets much more specific and analyzes the economic effects of Biden's tax plan.
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Old 01-21-2021, 02:02 PM
 
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They're from the same source, PWBM, but look at the headings. They're different. Your link analyzes Biden's platform. The link I posted gets much more specific and analyzes the economic effects of Biden's tax plan.
Then I think you’ve answered your own question. The overall platform shows GDP growth. Yours is also from March. Mine is from September.
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Old 01-21-2021, 02:11 PM
 
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Then I think you’ve answered your own question. The overall platform shows GDP growth.
It actually shows both decline and very minimal growth. I doubt the latter will happen, as that's not what historically has resulted from tax increases.

From the PWBM link you posted:

Chart: Biden Platform Economic Effects
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Old 01-21-2021, 02:13 PM
 
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It actually shows both decline and very minimal growth. I doubt the latter will happen, as that's not what historically has resulted from tax increases.

From the PWBM link you posted:

Chart: Biden Platform Economic Effects
I highlighted the bolded point numerous times.
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Old 01-21-2021, 02:17 PM
 
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I highlighted the bolded point numerous times.
So... Answer the question. How does Biden plan on paying down debt with a decrease in tax revenue?
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Old 01-21-2021, 02:20 PM
 
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Didn't it drop as a percentage of the GDP?
How does that matter? What matters is either an increase or decrease in tax revenue. When more tax revenue comes in, the debt can be paid down. When less tax revenue comes in...? Answer the question... How does Biden plan on paying down debt with a decrease in tax revenue?
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