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Old 01-23-2021, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Of course you are happy! You don’t have to pay for your own defense anymore.
Oh, no. Not you, again.

I live in the US and I'm a US citizen.

I guess you'd know all about defense, because you're from China, are you not? And, yes, China is definitely beefing up its military, isn't it? Is that a good thing?
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Old 01-23-2021, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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I don’t need a Canadian to tell me the Canadian opinion about Trump.
I don't need another immigrant (one from China, no less) lecturing me about what it is to be a proud American.

Capiche?
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Oh please, stop. The tribes here are only upset because they couldn't shake down the pipeline company. The most direct route was through a reservation-the tribes and the pipeline were in negotiations. They tribes decided to try to extort more money from the pipeline company than than was fair, so they picked up their toys, took the offer off the table, and rerouted the pipeline. Only after the new route was selected did the tribes decide that those were "sacred grounds". They really should claim Joe Biden's family home is on sacred ground, it's as valid an argument. Idiotic to pander to them.
Again, you seem to be forgetting that there's another country involved. First Nations peoples and environmental groups in Canada opposed Keystone, as well. Your ranting won't change that fact.
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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How does cancelling the Keystone Pipeline, help Americans?


I've been looking for the answer to that question.

So far, no joy.

It was something Biden did on his very first day in office.

[beuller]

Anybody?

Anybody?

[/beuller]
How does the Keystone Pipeline help Americans?
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:13 PM
 
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It would be better to question how much the pipeline was ever going to help the United States.
It's a Canadian-owned project, for pumping Canadian oil to Canadian-owned depots on our soil for the oil that has been sold to Canadian clients.

The pipeline's construction was overseen by a Canadian company, who hired mostly Canadians to build it. If it's ever completed, another Canadian company will oversee all day-to-day operations.

The only thing the U.S. ever got out of Keystone was the privilege of surrendering our soil to Canadian interests, the ever-present threat of a pipeline break contaminating the largest aquifer under the Great Plains forever, and or the possibility of an oil fire laying waste to one or several of our states. Anything from prairie to a city could burn and burn if a pipeline fire ever broke out.

Of course, it was all legal, done by agreement with all the long standing trade treaties we have with our neighbor to the north. And of course, Canadaians have their own lists of complaints about projects of ours that are about as egregious.

So as bad as it is, there was some profit to be taken from it, mostly by Canada, but a taste left for us.
Until the price of crude oil collapsed 3 years ago.

3 years later, the world is still swimming in a deep over-supply. There's nowhere left where oil is now such a profitable commodity, and those days may never return.

The world had begun to move away from its dependence on oil over 10 years ago. The following decade of oil wars throughout the Middle East accelerated the need to leave oil dependency behind.
...and now, our technology has begun to catch up to the demand.

For us, here in America, this means every new electric vehicle Ford, Tesla, GM, Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan, and Fiat and the other Europeans make and sell is one less set of wheels that doesn't need oil.
Some will need a little, so a 'good' engine economy will go up to around 80 mpg, while all-electric will need none, and will be 100% oil free.

This is only one of many indicators oil will still be traded, but will lose it's dominance. Forever.

Since all construction on Keystone stopped in 2018, Joe just made the stop more official.

If the need for it ever develops in the future, there's nothing to stop a new treaty from re-starting the project.

A new treaty could have something more for us in it than oil fire and pollution.

And a pipeline is a pipeline. Anything that can be pumped can be transported by a pipeline. Since Keystone is new, it may be possible there's nothing that has been contaminated by crude oil or refinery oil in it yet.

It may be quite profitable when water becomes more vital than oil, or stuff like wood slurry, or even the use of a pipeline as armor for a G7 optical cable system.
Good post.
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Old 01-23-2021, 09:45 PM
 
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How does the Keystone Pipeline help Americans?


Thousands of jobs to construct and maintain the pipeline.

Even more jobs in refineries and other downstream activities. The number of people participating in this economic activity is in the millions.

Cheaper and more reliable oil than importing from the Middle East.

The tar sand is also an important component for the refineries.
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:27 PM
 
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Thousands of jobs to construct and maintain the pipeline.

Even more jobs in refineries and other downstream activities. The number of people participating in this economic activity is in the millions.

Cheaper and more reliable oil than importing from the Middle East.

The tar sand is also an important component for the refineries.
Wring. About 2 thousand would be needed temporarily, after that all of 50. More spin
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:36 PM
 
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Wring. About 2 thousand would be needed temporarily, after that all of 50. More spin
50 people to maintain a few thousand miles pipeline?

Did you read past the first sentence. I am in the pipeline industry and intimately familiar with the oil gas industry.
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:53 PM
 
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Default 11K jobs gone, just like that.

Keystone XL - POOF. You wanted this ****ing creep, America, you got him. That’s a LOT of jobs. Among other insane EO’s. F this guy and F you if you voted for him.
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Old 01-23-2021, 11:03 PM
 
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https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ystone-xl-pip/

FACT CHECK:

Most of the estimated jobs were temporary.
According to a 2014 analysis the company would need only 50 employees to maintain the Keystone XL pipeline once it’s finished, 35 of them permanent.
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