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Old 01-27-2021, 12:01 AM
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If you are pitching the new Trumps reality show, yeah, I'd probably watch a bit of that too.
I’m racist against wealthy people. They are all rotten and very weird.
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Old 01-27-2021, 01:52 AM
 
Location: My house
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Careful, that will happen when social media companies start automating skilled trades with robotics. Then it will be the right wing era being denied services.
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Old 01-27-2021, 03:16 AM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Ace of Spades HQ



What if the trades began refusing business with people by requiring agreement with a "terms of service"? Anyone who posted support of rioters for example could be denied services. If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else or start their own basement flooding company. They, like Big Tech, wouldn't have to be consistent, they could allow someone who cheered the Capitol riot to continue as a customer while denying one who supported firebombing federal offices.

What are your thoughts?
Irrelevant parallel. The First Amendment only says "Congress (and by extension, the government) shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press". It says nothing about individuals and private businesses doing so.

The amendment also doesn't cover privately-owned premises intended to be open to the public for business purposes. Such property usually qualifies as a "public place" in a lot of contexts (e.g., a "big box" store or other commercial operation is usually banned from allowing public nudity among its customers. Nor certain unhealthful acts that I won't mention, but everybody should know what I'm talking about. I'd hardly call those laws a violation of property rights or freedom of expression).

However, a business does have a right to protect its reputation to the extent allowed by law. If somebody's attitudes, manner, speech, etc. is egrigiously attacking the safety or dignity of the clientele, for example, then yes, the property owner does have a right to "abridge" that freedom of expression. Still, the business has to provide evidence that the alleged "threatening or demeaning traits" at issue actually qualify for a substantive threat to the essential well-being of the customers, the public, the employees and such.

Also, as for Big Tech "censoring" posts. Well, back before the Internet, newspapers had the right to refuse to publish letters to the editor. Also, book publishers had the right to refuse to publish certain book titles. Neither of those qualify for censorship. Why exclude Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. from that basic principle?
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Old 01-27-2021, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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you pulled your thread, title and all right straight out of Trump's book of 'How to be divisive and accomplish absolutely nothing'..get over it..you lost..
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:24 AM
 
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What a stupid idea.
Why? Big Tech does it.
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:27 AM
 
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Irrelevant parallel. The First Amendment only says "Congress (and by extension, the government) shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press". It says nothing about individuals and private businesses doing so.

The amendment also doesn't cover privately-owned premises intended to be open to the public for business purposes. Such property usually qualifies as a "public place" in a lot of contexts (e.g., a "big box" store or other commercial operation is usually banned from allowing public nudity among its customers. Nor certain unhealthful acts that I won't mention, but everybody should know what I'm talking about. I'd hardly call those laws a violation of property rights or freedom of expression).

However, a business does have a right to protect its reputation to the extent allowed by law. If somebody's attitudes, manner, speech, etc. is egrigiously attacking the safety or dignity of the clientele, for example, then yes, the property owner does have a right to "abridge" that freedom of expression. Still, the business has to provide evidence that the alleged "threatening or demeaning traits" at issue actually qualify for a substantive threat to the essential well-being of the customers, the public, the employees and such.

Also, as for Big Tech "censoring" posts. Well, back before the Internet, newspapers had the right to refuse to publish letters to the editor. Also, book publishers had the right to refuse to publish certain book titles. Neither of those qualify for censorship. Why exclude Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. from that basic principle?
So should Facebook and Twitter be considered publishers?
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Old 01-27-2021, 12:06 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Why? Big Tech does it.
So who is the nationwide big plumbing company? Big electrical? Big handymen?
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Old 01-27-2021, 12:08 PM
 
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Half the population would be out of work within a month. Doesn't seem very productive.
Exactly. Who has the funds to pay for those services?
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Old 01-27-2021, 12:10 PM
 
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Ace of Spades HQ



What if the trades began refusing business with people by requiring agreement with a "terms of service"? Anyone who posted support of rioters for example could be denied services. If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else or start their own basement flooding company. They, like Big Tech, wouldn't have to be consistent, they could allow someone who cheered the Capitol riot to continue as a customer while denying one who supported firebombing federal offices.

What are your thoughts?

How about both sides put in their big boy pants and come together as a country instead of ripping the country apart?


But hey, I am not part of the Dems or GOP so perhaps I have the logic both sides lack.
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Old 01-27-2021, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Ace of Spades HQ



What if the trades began refusing business with people by requiring agreement with a "terms of service"? Anyone who posted support of rioters for example could be denied services. If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else or start their own basement flooding company. They, like Big Tech, wouldn't have to be consistent, they could allow someone who cheered the Capitol riot to continue as a customer while denying one who supported firebombing federal offices.

What are your thoughts?
You’re starting to learn how capitalism would work in a free society.

Are you going to go all the way and call for the abolishment of the government which codifies and enforces the mechanisms in place that prevent us from doing what is described in your article?

Otherwise, you’re supporting the same system. You just want the Man to do your bidding for you.
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