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Old 01-28-2021, 10:39 AM
 
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Because working childless women earn more, have more savings, have more retirement, etc. They are also less exhausted.
Waiting later to have children and having fewer gives women time to establish themselves in the workforce, build experience, retirement, savings, etc. so they are in a better place financially and mentally to have children. Same is true for men.
Its not rocket science.
I have always been a full time working mother. Its exhausting and restricting. My kids are grown, heck my grands are about grown. Life is easier, I have more. More money, more opportunity, more time.

That is how I know.
Those are the choices I made and I dont regret them and I dont think anyone should be compensated by tax payers for the choices they willingly make just because its hard. But life experiences, hindsight if you will, teaches you some things. Problem is often young people do not avail to the wisdom of experience. I did not.
You speak for all women no more than I speak for all men.


I have sisters - both of them in different situations. And their opinions differ from yours.
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Old 01-28-2021, 10:41 AM
 
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women do not want to stay at home and raise kids anymore for a reason and the reason is pretty darn clear.

Where do you get off speaking for ALL WOMEN?


"Ellis"? Are you even female?


I have sisters and you don't speak for them.
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Old 01-28-2021, 10:44 AM
 
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And nearly 100% of men have died fighting in wars for this nation. I know some women in warzones have died....maybe 0.5%?


If women want custody of children in divorce (and alimony and child support) I am pretty sure they will get the kids 90% of the time.



I mean, we can play this game. You know I am the one who is right.



Women are not under assault in any way. Women actually have it quite good compared to men in America.
Its not a contest.
But no 100% of men have not died fighting in wars. Many of my family are veterans who actually fought in Wars from the Civil war-WWI-WWII-Korea-Vietnam. They did not die fighting wars.

I wont debate but there is a reason women get custody more often and it has to do with this topic of women being the ones who care for the children 90% of the time working or not. Why would the 10% parent be the one to be primary caretaker over the one who always has been 90% primary caretaker? How many fathers do you know who ACTIVELY SOUGHT custody were denied?

Yes I know who is right.
No one is claiming women are under assault. I do not believe one sex has it any easier than the other. There are advantages and disadvantages. There is always someone who has it better and someone who has it worse than the next person regardless of sex.
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Old 01-28-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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Its not a contest.
But no 100% of men have not died fighting in wars. Many of my family are veterans who actually fought in Wars from the Civil war-WWI-WWII-Korea-Vietnam. They did not die fighting wars.

I wont debate but there is a reason women get custody more often and it has to do with this topic of women being the ones who care for the children 90% of the time working or not. Why would the 10% parent be the one to be primary caretaker over the one who always has been 90% primary caretaker? How many fathers do you know who ACTIVELY SOUGHT custody were denied?

No one is claiming women are under assault. I do not believe one sex has it any easier than the other. There are advantages and disadvantages. There is always someone who has it better and someone who has it worse than the next person regardless of sex
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Majority of deaths in wars that America fought to keep our country have been men. By like 99 to 1. (maybe 999 to 1). Unless you think they were thought they were women when they died?


Regarding your last sentence, eh...finally some agreement. Some reason.
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Old 01-28-2021, 10:51 AM
 
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--- women do not want to stay at home and raise kids anymore for a reason and the reason is pretty darn clear.
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Where do you get off speaking for ALL WOMEN?


"Ellis"? Are you even female?


I have sisters and you don't speak for them.
Maybe not but the average birth rate for women in the u.s. is 1.78 --- traditional family values in society of the u.s. has changed as the stats prove.

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"Ellis"? Are you even female?
Do I have to be --- ? Andrew Yang is a male who sees the conundrum in how society views women and the work they do in the home. Why would anyone have to be female in order to understand it?
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Old 01-28-2021, 10:52 AM
 
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Because working childless women earn more, have more savings, have more retirement, etc. They are also less exhausted.
Waiting later to have children and having fewer gives women time to establish themselves in the workforce, build experience, retirement, savings, etc. so they are in a better place financially and mentally to have children. Same is true for men.
Its not rocket science.
I have always been a full time working mother. Its exhausting and restricting. My kids are grown, heck my grands are about grown. Life is easier, I have more. More money, more opportunity, more time.

That is how I know.
Those are the choices I made and I dont regret them and I dont think anyone should be compensated by tax payers for the choices they willingly make just because its hard. But life experiences, hindsight if you will, teaches you some things. Problem is often young people do not avail to the wisdom of experience. I did not.
I agree, it’s hard but it isn’t the taxpayers responsibility.
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Old 01-28-2021, 11:00 AM
 
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You speak for all women no more than I speak for all men.


I have sisters - both of them in different situations. And their opinions differ from yours.
I'm not speaking for all women. I speak for myself. I speak what I see and statistics backs it up.
It is not difficult to see wage, wealth and educational differential between childless people and those with children. The childless and those that postpone having children live longer as well according to many studies. It is odd though that these studies also indicate the more children a couple has increases their life expectancy.

I'm going to assume you have not been a parent.
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Old 01-28-2021, 11:02 AM
 
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Majority of deaths in wars that America fought to keep our country have been men. By like 99 to 1. (maybe 999 to 1). Unless you think they were thought they were women when they died?


Regarding your last sentence, eh...finally some agreement. Some reason.
Why was the majority of deaths men?
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Old 01-28-2021, 11:07 AM
 
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If you are a mom not in the workforce there is no retirement plan for you. If you entered the workforce later, your SSI begins then, not before. Your compensation for retirement will average less than the man that has worked every day till the age 72 and did not take time off to be a dad.
If you are a mom, a) that was your decision and b) YOU have control of your own retirement...no one else.
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Old 01-28-2021, 11:12 AM
 
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There is not enough money in order to remunerate parents who care for children. Stealing more from others won't fix things. Money is a dead thing and does not reproduce. Whereas human beings can increase and generate far more goods and services than what the money shortage can accommodate.

Until "money" will farm land, mine minerals, operate factories, ship goods and sell them, it is not a remedy.
Money has nothing to do with the law of love that compels parents to care for their children without compensation.
Or children to care for their parents without compensation.
Or extended families to care for their relatives without compensation.
Or communities that volunteered to build homes and barns for fellow members. (remember old timey barn raisings?)
Or renunciants who join religious orders, and work their whole lives for the benefit of others, for bare subsistence... Like those who cared for the sick and abandoned before socialism destroyed them.

What would you prefer:
A parent that cares for you because they're well paid, or a parent that cares for you out of love?
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