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View Poll Results: Would you have supported a significant increase in the gas tax a decade ago?
Absolutely! We could've built some great public transit by now. 11 57.89%
No way! I've enjoyed and benefited from cheaper gas over the past ten years. 8 42.11%
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-07-2008, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The size of the United States limits how effective any mass transit would or could be.

While there may be mass transit in most major metropolitan areas, not everyone lives in those areas - so many small towns / townships
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The size of the United States limits how effective any mass transit would or could be.

While there may be mass transit in most major metropolitan areas, not everyone lives in those areas - so many small towns / townships
Sucks for those people. Just means they'll be making fewer trips or have to earn more money.

There are more rural and expansive areas in the world than the US (Russia, Brazil, Australia, etc) and they get by just fine on less consumption.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:29 AM
 
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Sucks for those people. Just means they'll be making fewer trips or have to earn more money.

There are more rural and expansive areas in the world than the US (Russia, Brazil, Australia, etc) and they get by just fine on less consumption.
Agreed.

And just because one lives in a rural, small town doesn't mean that you have to design the town where it takes miles to reach anything. It may not be economical to build a subway there but trolleys, bike lanes, etc are great for small towns. Everyone else in the world does it.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Agreed.

And just because one lives in a rural, small town doesn't mean that you have to design the town where it takes miles to reach anything. It may not be economical to build a subway there but trolleys, bike lanes, etc are great for small towns. Everyone else in the world does it.
Yep.

Also, assuming that gas taxes would be used efficiently to actually repair the highways, why should our country want to allow drivers to socialize the cost of the roads they frequent to the general public who don't use the highways? I suppose folks believe the US highway and interstate system is just a free gift from the government?

A gas tax is an efficient tax because it embeds the cost of maintenance of the highways and concentrates it on the individuals who actually use them. Again, this assumes the trust fund isn't raided.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Agreed.

And just because one lives in a rural, small town doesn't mean that you have to design the town where it takes miles to reach anything. It may not be economical to build a subway there but trolleys, bike lanes, etc are great for small towns. Everyone else in the world does it.
You have not spent much time in rural America, have you?

Not everyone lives in a town irwin.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:47 AM
 
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There was supposed to be a 50 cent gas tax increase, way back in the day, which I did support at the time. Perhaps Carter was not so crazy after all!
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:49 AM
 
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You have not spent much time in rural America, have you?

Not everyone lives in a town irwin.
Yes I have. I live in New England where the towns are small, people walk, there are main streets, etc. I have a brother that lives in a small town in Washington state.

If you live outside of town...well, get a horse.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:49 AM
 
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You have not spent much time in rural America, have you?

Not everyone lives in a town irwin.
But GreatDay, we do not a good system even where they would work. Understanding that people choose to seperate themselves and live in the country then they have to pay for the high price of fuel to get around. People who live in high density areas should not have to drive all that much and we like it like that.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:51 AM
 
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Yep.

Also, assuming that gas taxes would be used efficiently to actually repair the highways, why should our country want to allow drivers to socialize the cost of the roads they frequent to the general public who don't use the highways? I suppose folks believe the US highway and interstate system is just a free gift from the government?

A gas tax is an efficient tax because it embeds the cost of maintenance of the highways and concentrates it on the individuals who actually use them. Again, this assumes the trust fund isn't raided.
I actually have no problem that highways are subsidized by the gas tax. But I think we have plenty of highways! Given the price of oil and the consequences of our absolute reliance on the auto, we need to start investing in other forms of transport. Regional high speed rail transport, local commuter rail, street cars, light rail, subways, etc.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:55 AM
 
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I actually have no problem that highways are subsidized by the gas tax. But I think we have plenty of highways! Given the price of oil and the consequences of our absolute reliance on the auto, we need to start investing in other forms of transport. Regional high speed rail transport, local commuter rail, street cars, light rail, subways, etc.
I live in the Tidewater of VA and we have a huge govt presence down here that is required to travel often to Washington DC. It is nearly impossible to get a train into Washington so we can use the Metro. It would be a great boon to us here to be able to hop on a train, use that 3-8 hours (depending on traffic) to relax, work or catch up on reading vs driving in stop and go traffic, to get the metro, which is great in Washington.
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