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Old 01-29-2021, 01:39 PM
 
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Meanwhile Biden wants to make a Nuclear deal with Russia....
Putin will never make a deal unless it benefits Russia.
And Trump wanted nothing to do with it.
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Old 01-29-2021, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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One wonders who else they've played like this. I'm sure there's more than one.
A whole bunch of people in this forum. Only they don't even know it.
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Old 01-29-2021, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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One wonders who else they've played like this. I'm sure there's more than one.
Biden maybe...Sanders for sure
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Old 01-29-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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They groomed him for 40 years on the off chance he might become POTUS someday.

Give me a break.
Russians are good at chess and long-range plans. And trumpie is a yuge putin fan. Why, he might as well be called trumputin. I am sure they got plenty out of him without him being in politics the entire time, his presidency was just a yuge bonus from a very stable genius.



The russians were able to successfully manipulate the election in 2016 because he was a wild card populist. This time around, people had had a 4 year taste of him and the majority of voters wanted rid of him, so even russian interference didn't help.
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Old 01-29-2021, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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They must have been disappointed when Trump turned out
to be tougher on Russia than any President since Reagan.
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Old 01-29-2021, 02:00 PM
 
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They must have been disappointed when Trump turned out
to be tougher on Russia than any President since Reagan.
Really?

Immediately upon entering the White House, Trump tried to lift Obama-era sanctions and return diplomatic compounds seized by the United States due to interference in the 2016 election. Months later, Congress drew up a bill to strengthen Russia sanctions and prevent Trump from lifting them. The administration lobbied hard against the legislation. When it passed with a veto-proof majority, Trump issued a statement expressing displeasure — and signaling that enforcement would be lax.

His administration has done exactly that. It delayed implementing the law and missed key deadlines, grudgingly conceding only after intervention by congressional leaders. Nervous tycoons scrambled to hire Washington lobbyists to keep themselves off a blacklist mandated by the law. But the Trump team made a mockery of the effort by merely copying and pasting from a Forbes list of Russian billionaires. That reassured the Kremlin that the sanctions would never be used as intended.

Trump’s most egregious act of sanctions malfeasance, however, came in April 2018. That was when the Treasury Department — acting with support from then-national security adviser H.R. McMaster, on his way out of the White House — imposed the first consequential Russia sanctions of the Trump years, targeting the oligarch Oleg Deripaska and his aluminum company, Rusal. The impact was swift: Rusal’s shares nosedived by more than 50 percent.

Instead of using this leverage to extract concessions from Moscow, the Trump administration immediately defanged the sanctions and eventually expunged Rusal from the sanctions list. To make matters worse, the Trump administration cut a deal with Deripaska, whom the Senate Intelligence Committee described as a “proxy for the Russian state and intelligence services,” allowing him to maintain control of his businesses through allies. This episode sent anunambiguous message to both Moscow and the private sector: The Trump administration had no stomach for tough sanctions against Russia.

Meanwhile, the administration dragged its feet on imposing consequences for the nerve agent attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia. It delayed chemical weapons sanctions required by law, only moving forward after formalrequests anddemands frombipartisan congressional leaders. Unsurprisingly, when the Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny was recently poisoned with a similar agent, the Trump administration said — and did — nothing.

Ahead of the 2018 midterms, bipartisan legislation to deter Moscow from interfering in future U.S. elections gained momentum in the Senate. Trump cut it off at the pass, signing anexecutive order mimicking its language but lacking the critical piece: automatic sanctions against Russian banks and energy companies if the Kremlin’s attacks on American democracy persisted. It was this executive order that the Treasury Department used in September.

Trump’s policy on Russia sanctions has been an elaborate ruse, designed to project toughness while actually doing little to follow through. The reality is that Trump, far from taking a tough line, has proactively undermined sanctions from Day One of his term in the White House.

The results are clear. As Trump’s own FBI director recently emphasized, Russia is continuing to interfere in our politics today. That’s not because the sanctions have failed to achieve their purpose. It’s because Trump never intended them to work in the first place.
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Old 01-29-2021, 02:05 PM
 
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They groomed him for 40 years on the off chance he might become POTUS someday.

Give me a break.
lol. It's sad isn't it. These brainwashed people are going to bring our entire world down.
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Old 01-29-2021, 02:09 PM
 
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Yes. About the last thing anyone who listened to Trump 40 years ago, or even 10 years ago for that matter, would have thought is that this here is presidential material.
They probably manipulated his ratings for The Apprentice too.
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Old 01-29-2021, 02:28 PM
 
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lol. It's sad isn't it. These brainwashed people are going to bring our entire world down.
Like storming the capital, plotting to murder politicians, electing crazy train conductors like green and boebert, insisting an honest election is fraud, etc., etc.?
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Old 01-29-2021, 03:00 PM
 
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I think it’s a hoax. It’s just part of the perpetual attack on trump. Why liberals despise Russia so much is scary. Putin’s a bad player, but I think it’s more godly and benevolent to try to work at warming relations with the countries of the world of possible War with Russia is going to be the end. It’s not wise.
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