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Old 02-11-2021, 07:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
You're right. To help me see the errors of my way could you explain why older guns are so much more expensive now than they were when first sold?

Do you not understand how antiques/collectibles work?


Rarity, desirability, historical significance or interest, condition in spite of age. It applies to guns the same as it applies to anything else. Why do people pay big bucks for a certain Coca-Cola sign or Shell oil can or anything else?
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Old 02-11-2021, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Do you not understand how antiques/collectibles work?


Rarity, desirability, historical significance or interest, condition in spite of age. It's applies to guns the same as it applies to anything else. Why do people pay big bucks for a certain Coca-Cola sign or Shell oil can or anything else?
Ding ding ding! Get the man a prize.
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:00 AM
 
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An AR15 chambered in 223 seems WAY too small to use on pigs! I've always been told not to go out with anything less than a 30-06 or 308.
Not true-

We use .223 and .308 on hogs.

The issue is the location of a shot. I saw a hog take 6 shots from a .308 in the trunk and keep running.

You have to hit a hog behind the ear. We have killed hundreds of hogs with a .223.
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:03 AM
 
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Ding ding ding! Get the man a prize.

Not sure what point you think you've proven?

That like any antique/collectible there are certain guns that are particularly rare/desirable and command a high price tag? Rarity is an aspect that affects price. That doesn't mean all old guns are rare. That doesn't negate that there are also old guns that are plentiful, not particularly desirable, and because of that inexpensive.

To repeat, guns are no different than any antique. There is a Coca-Cola sign that someone will pay $10k for, and another one that looks similar that will only sell for $50.
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You're absolutely correct and absolutely misleading.

Historically ruling classes would arm the peasantry so long as they remain under military control. Given guns, uniforms, meals and pay, provided the peasantry as you call them protect or conquer what the elites have instructed them to.

That's completely different than relieving a citizenry from personal possession of firearms/ who are not engaged in the Govt sponsored conflict.

Since you're so esteemed in determining who knows what on 'whoever made that quote has zero grasp of world history', please explain how the following events are exactly like governments arming peasants to achieve govt military objectives:

In 1911, the Ottoman Empire began a gun confiscation program that eventually led to the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians.

In 1938, Hitler’s Nazi party implemented gun confiscation programs that preceded the Holocaust.

In 1935 the Chinese government forced citizens to turn over their firearms, and between 1935 and 1952 20 million citizens were murdered.

Similar gun control measures, gun seizures, and subsequent acts of violence against citizens have occurred in Cambodia and the Soviet Union, where unarmed populaces were left with little recourse when governments initiated acts of violence.
Depending on where, peasants were either expected to have a weapon or given one. It was in the best interest of the ruling class for peasants to have their own weapon since that would mean less they'd have to spend arming them and would make for a better fielded army if they were already experienced in using their weapon.

For every example of you claiming govt weapons confiscation led to mass tyranny, i can cite ones where it was used to benefit society.

Going back to Japan banning & confiscating samurai weaponry to conform to more European norms to Australia banning & confiscating guns to address mass shootings. None of those were precursors to authoritarian regimes stepping in to crush the citizenry.
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Not sure what point you think you've proven?

That like any antique/collectible there are certain guns that are particularly rare/desirable and command a high price tag? Rarity is an aspect that affects price. That doesn't mean all old guns are rare. That doesn't negate that there are also old guns that are plentiful, not particularly desirable, and because of that inexpensive.

To repeat, guns are no different than any antique. There is a Coca-Cola sign that someone will pay $10k for, and another one that looks similar that will only sell for $50.
Rarity is the primary decider on the resale value of something. Nothing else is remotely close. Not age, not condition, not usability. Rarity.
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:41 AM
 
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Rarity is the primary decider on the resale value of something. Nothing else is remotely close. Not age, not condition, not usability. Rarity.

Yes, we agree. Rarity affects the price of something. Where you go wrong is jumping from "rarity affects price" to "all old guns are rare". But clearly your mind is made up so I won't continue trying to convince you otherwise.
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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lol the Republicans have been saying this since Obama was in office.

But, back then it was Obama was gonna send DHS to confiscate peoples guns obviously that never happened. Just the right crying wolf again.
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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lol the Republicans have been saying this since Obama was in office.

But, back then it was Obama was gonna send DHS to confiscate peoples guns obviously that never happened. Just the right crying wolf again.
Please catch up, no one is saying that. We all know it will be done at the legislation level. Comply or become a felon over night.
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Old 02-11-2021, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Please catch up, no one is saying that. We all know it will be done at the legislation level. Comply or become a felon over night.
So the police will have to confiscate? How many will do that?

I've always found it interesting the relationship between the gun owning community and the thin blue line flag community. It's a venn diagram that shares a lot of area, but when it comes down to it, the police will be the ones to take the guns.
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