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Nahh, let's continue to handcuff children since apparently its ok to do. 6 cops for a 9 year old....lol.
What other treatment do you suggest? Then ask yourself if our laws even allow it as an option anymore. Schools seem to be forbidden from administering any push back on a insubordinate, disrespectful, disruptive or violent student. Schools and teachers are powerless, so they call in the police for just about everything, and the police are restricted to what they can do as well.
If every other form of treatment for disruptive children is taken away, and all we are left with is police, handcuffs and pepper spray, then that's what we will get.
I’ve attended two police academies:
- Los Angeles County Sheriff Academy
- Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC)
I think I will have to trust my training and experience more than you “watched”
Aside for RCMP training, Depot also does training for other law enforcement agencies from across Canada. And yes, I "watched", on the invitation of the Assistant Commissioner in charge of Depot, along with a small group of other officials. My comment stands. The reason for recruit experiencing pepper spray is not due to the incidental effect it might have on them, but to understand the exact effect it has on subjects. I'll take the word of the officer in charge of Depot on that.
I am pretty sure that after reading about this incident, everyone is asking the same question. Common sense says they would have just put their hands on the girl to gently move her. I am going to guess that the police were forced under procedures that ruled out touching the girl. I'm guessing police procedures ruled out everything else and forced them to only use pepper spray. So it just may be that whoever is dictating police procedures is the person to blame, not the cops who are the people forced by law to follow stupid police procedures.
No, they had permission to touch the child. They were permitted to handcuff her.
Aside for RCMP training, Depot also does training for other law enforcement agencies from across Canada. And yes, I "watched", on the invitation of the Assistant Commissioner in charge of Depot, along with a small group of other officials. My comment stands. The reason for recruit experiencing pepper spray is not due to the incidental effect it might have on them, but to understand the exact effect it has on subjects. I'll take the word of the officer in charge of Depot on that.
Did RCMP also have to experience getting hit with a baton, bean bag, and punched in the face with bare knuckles just to “understand the exact effect”?
I know it’s useless to ask a law enforcement’s use of force question to a “I watched” person, but i am asking anyway
Ok, I wasn't sure about tasing. I have seen some video of officers tased (my brother is an officer).
Like I said I assume generally, most officers dont expect to shot anyone or beat anyone with a baton and hopefully never need to. But using pepper spray or tasers at some point would be logical to assume and its seems reasonable to me that knowing just how painful or uncomfortable it is to be on the receiving end might muster some empathy in situations where that might not be necessary.
You know before I actually used a shock collar on my dogs I tested it on my hand to see just how much shock there was.
I have very high pain tolerance because I train martial arts all my life and years of service in the military. I know I can take a few beating before I give up. That does not mean it’s going to be the same for you or another person.
Same thing with being OC sprayed, tasered, or even shot at with live bullets. Some people have high pain tolerance for whatever reason (size, strength, built, mental state, or drug). One time I emptied a whole can of OC spray on someone’s face and he still kept on fighting. Other time all it takes is a little mist and the person gave up immediately and cried like a little girl. The physiology effects of OC/taser/baton/firearm is going to be different for everybody.
So to say that cops have to undergone OC sprayed/taser/beat up with a baton to have “empathy” is totally incorrect.
What other treatment do you suggest? Then ask yourself if our laws even allow it as an option anymore. Schools seem to be forbidden from administering any push back on a insubordinate, disrespectful, disruptive or violent student. Schools and teachers are powerless, so they call in the police for just about everything, and the police are restricted to what they can do as well.
If every other form of treatment for disruptive children is taken away, and all we are left with is police, handcuffs and pepper spray, then that's what we will get.
We really need to address our mental health situation in this country. I don't think I've ever seen a "positive energy" post on this forum since I started coming over here.
Every thread is either of strong dislike, or someone trying to out-peacock the other. I'm sure Covid contributed greatly to the posting climate, but not even any brainstorming on how to fix this morass, what a crazy time...
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We really need to address our mental health situation in this country. I don't think I've ever seen a "positive energy" post on this forum since I started coming over here.
Every thread is either of strong dislike, or someone trying to out-peacock the other. I'm sure Covid contributed greatly to the posting climate, but not even any brainstorming on how to fix this morass, what a crazy time...
Discussions of science fiction television and movies are usually pretty friendly.
honestly, this is an example of where 'defund the police' comes from. Cops aren't needed to deal with a child like that. A social worker with training in this kind of crisis is needed. Funds moved from the police force to social workers is better for everyone in this kind of situation.
I agree. I remember visiting an elementary school in Vietnam. Each classroom equipped with a bamboo stick to spank misbehaved children. The school children there are extremely obedient.
The problem with American society is we ask too much from law enforcement, including discipline children. Give that power back to teachers and let them beat the little bastards.
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